From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Sun Apr 1 02:18:02 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Gene Gough) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 20:18:02 -0500 Subject: [pmmail-list] Leaving messages on server question In-Reply-To: <200103311226.tcc4qt.hp5.37kb01i@hazard.mail.mindspring.net> Message-ID: <200104010118.UAA24654@johnson.mail.mindspring.net> --_=_=_=IMA.BOUNDARY.HTML_5001440=_=_=_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Sat, 31 Mar 2001 19:17:14 +0200, Martin Jansen wrote: =>For me this happened with PMMail 98 on Windows 98. But since I'm =>using PMMail 2000 with Windows 2000 (dreamteam :-), it has =>never happened again. What version do you use on Win2k? 2.20.2200 => =>>I have always suspected the server rather than the mailer. => =>What kind of server do you use? I had this problems with PMMail 98 =>and qmail as mailserver, but as I said: with PMMail 2000 I never =>had them again. For in home I am using Win2K with WinProxy as a DSL server but it is pretty much transparent to the rest of the machines. My IP is mindspring/earthlink and I have no idea of what they are using. => =>>Or perhaps the fact that I go through a firewall gate on my server =>>machine. => =>I didn't use any firewall and it happened to me. Gene Gough IBM - Retired Marietta, GA Gough Family Page : http://www.goughfamily.com/home/albums.htm Gough History : http://www.goughfamily.com/familytree/goughtree.html Professional Page : http://www.goughfamily.com/resume/software_expert.html - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com --_=_=_=IMA.BOUNDARY.HTML_5001440=_=_=_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Sat, 31 Mar 2001 19:17:14 +0200, Martin Jansen wrote:

=>For me this happened with PMMail 98 on Windows 98. But since I'm
=>using PMMail 2000 with Windows 2000 (dreamteam :-), it has
=>never happened again. What version do you use on Win2k?

2.20.2200

=>
=>>I have always suspected the server rather than the mailer.
=>
=>What kind of server do you use? I had this problems with PMMail 98
=>and qmail as mailserver, but as I said: with PMMail 2000 I never
=>had them again.

For in home I am using Win2K with WinProxy as a DSL server but it is pretty much transparent to the rest of the machines. My IP is mindspring/earthlink and I have no idea of what they are using.

=>
=>>Or perhaps the fact that I go through a firewall gate on my server
=>>machine.
=>
=>I didn't use any firewall and it happened to me.

Gene Gough                                         IBM - Retired                                                  Marietta, GA
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--_=_=_=IMA.BOUNDARY.HTML_5001440=_=_=_-- From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Sun Apr 1 05:15:43 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Kris Sorem Sr) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 20:15:43 -0800 (PST) Subject: [pmmail-list] ~Re: *wish list*) ISO-8859-15 support In-Reply-To: <200103312023.MAA00392@home.humboldt1.com> Message-ID: <200104010443.UAA29604@home.humboldt1.com> On Sat, 31 Mar 2001 22:12:39 +0200, Gunnar Anzinger wrote: >For a comparison between Latin 1 and Latin 9 see: >http://www.indwes.edu/Faculty/bcupp/things/Characters/latin9.html This url appears to be no longer valid. -- JMO, /s/~Kris -------------------------------+------------------------------------------ - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Sun Apr 1 07:00:36 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Kris Sorem Sr) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 22:00:36 -0800 (PST) Subject: [pmmail-list] ~Re: Content-Type: multipart/mixed; How do I...? In-Reply-To: <200103210845.AAA25977@home.humboldt1.com> Message-ID: <200104010609.WAA14134@home.humboldt1.com> On Wed, 21 Mar 2001 09:38:46 +0100 (MEZ), Chris Hellwig wrote: >Any idea. Where can i find a RFC? http://www.rfc-editor.org Look at RFC2045 thru RFC2049, These deal specifically with MIME formated RFC822 messages. -- JMO, /s/~Kris -------------------------------+------------------------------------------ - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Sun Apr 1 08:39:07 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Lueko Willms) Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 08:39:07 +0100 (MEZ) Subject: [pmmail-list] Decoding MS-Tinnef? Message-ID: <14jbU2-1MuGHZC@fwd03.sul.t-online.com> Hello, I do get sometimes mail from a friend who uses some Microsoft-Mail-Product, which then carries an attachement "application/ms-tnef". A photo was supposed to be in there, but I could not get it out. Is there a way to do this? Yours, Lüko Willms Frankfurt/Main / Lueko.Willms@T-Online.de - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Sun Apr 1 11:37:23 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Steve Wendt) Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 02:37:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: [pmmail-list] Decoding MS-Tinnef? In-Reply-To: <14jbU2-1MuGHZC@fwd03.sul.t-online.com> Message-ID: <200104011040.f31AeXX21007@fingers.shocking.com> On Sun, 01 Apr 2001 08:39:07 +0100 (MEZ), Lueko Willms wrote: > I do get sometimes mail from a friend who uses some >Microsoft-Mail-Product, which then carries an attachement >"application/ms-tnef". A photo was supposed to be in there, but I >could not get it out. You could try the tnef program here: http://teamos2.ru/files/ ----------- "Good people do not need laws to tell them to act responsibly, while bad people will find a way around the laws." - Plato (427-347 B.C.) - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Sun Apr 1 11:51:54 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Peter Jespersen) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 12:51:54 +0200 Subject: [pmmail-list] Decoding MS-Tinnef? In-Reply-To: <14jbU2-1MuGHZC@fwd03.sul.t-online.com> References: <14jbU2-1MuGHZC@fwd03.sul.t-online.com> Message-ID: <01040112515400.02101@starbug> On Sunday 01 April 2001 09:39, you wrote: > Hello, > > I do get sometimes mail from a friend who uses some > Microsoft-Mail-Product, which then carries an attachement > "application/ms-tnef". A photo was supposed to be in there, but I > could not get it out. It is a new and wonderfull mime encoding standard, that AFAIK only Exchange og Outlook mail servers use to pest our lives... :o( -- Live long and prosper... - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Sun Apr 1 12:50:47 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Patrick Nijs) Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 13:50:47 +0200 Subject: [pmmail-list] fetchttime ? Message-ID: <200104011153.f31Br2213716@mailsrvc.hrz.uni-oldenburg.de> On Sat, 31 Mar 2001 16:29:56 +0200 (CDT), Patrick Nijs wrote: >On Sat, 31 Mar 2001 15:52:56 +0200, Martin Jansen wrote: > >> >>On my machine (Windows 2000 Professional) the correct time >>is displayed. Which version of Windows did you use (last week >>we had a time problem regarding "wintertime" with PMMail 2000 >>on a machine running Windows 95 in the company I'm working for)? >> > >in Windows 98 SE it's wrong, on my laptop with Windows NT it's OK, in OS/2 OK > today the fetchtime is correct, I hope that has nothing to do with the date of the USA summertime, that went in this night I presume ? _____________ Patrick Nijs Belgium - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Sun Apr 1 17:42:56 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Dian Welle) Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 09:42:56 -0700 Subject: [pmmail-list] fetchttime ? In-Reply-To: <200104011151.GAA09764@westpoint.west-point.org> Message-ID: <200104011742.MAA02915@argon.west-point.org> I am using PMMail 2000 Pro. Have Windows 98. Time is not adjusting for daylight savings... Help? Dian On Sun, 01 Apr 2001 13:50:47 +0200, Patrick Nijs wrote: >On Sat, 31 Mar 2001 16:29:56 +0200 (CDT), Patrick Nijs wrote: > >>On Sat, 31 Mar 2001 15:52:56 +0200, Martin Jansen wrote: >> >>> >>>On my machine (Windows 2000 Professional) the correct time >>>is displayed. Which version of Windows did you use (last week >>>we had a time problem regarding "wintertime" with PMMail 2000 >>>on a machine running Windows 95 in the company I'm working for)? >>> >> >>in Windows 98 SE it's wrong, on my laptop with Windows NT it's OK, in OS/2 OK >> >today the fetchtime is correct, >I hope that has nothing to do with the date of the USA summertime, that went in this night >I presume ? > >_____________ >Patrick Nijs >Belgium > >- pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- >To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first >line of the message body being... >UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com > > > > - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Sun Apr 1 21:04:22 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Dian Welle) Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 13:04:22 -0700 Subject: [pmmail-list] fetchttime ? In-Reply-To: <200104011742.MAA02915@argon.west-point.org> Message-ID: <200104012004.PAA07553@argon.west-point.org> On Sun, 01 Apr 2001 09:42:56 -0700, Dian Welle wrote: >I am using PMMail 2000 Pro. Have Windows 98. Time is not adjusting >for daylight savings... A temp. fix was for me to set myself for Arizona time, which does not account for Daylight Savings. However, I sure would appreciate a fix. Dian Welle - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Sun Apr 1 23:40:56 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Rod... Whitworth) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 08:40:56 +1000 (EST) Subject: [pmmail-list] fetchttime ? In-Reply-To: <200104012004.PAA07553@argon.west-point.org> Message-ID: <200104020841.0542304.6@mail.witworx.com> On Sun, 01 Apr 2001 13:04:22 -0700, Dian Welle wrote: >On Sun, 01 Apr 2001 09:42:56 -0700, Dian Welle wrote: > >>I am using PMMail 2000 Pro. Have Windows 98. Time is not adjusting >>for daylight savings... > >A temp. fix was for me to set myself for Arizona time, which does not >account for Daylight Savings. However, I sure would appreciate a fix. In Australia (or at least some parts) we went off DST a week ago and I noticed afterwards that PMM/2 was showing messages timestamped in the preview window as 1 hour in the future. My machine has the correct TZ string (TZ=est-10edt,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600) but because PMM/2 was running back in DST and not shut down since it did not honour the change. Shutting down PMM and restarting it fixed the problem. - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Sun Apr 1 23:50:35 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Gene Gough) Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 18:50:35 -0400 Subject: [pmmail-list] fetchttime ? In-Reply-To: <200104011742.MAA02915@argon.west-point.org> Message-ID: <200104012250.SAA13204@johnson.mail.mindspring.net> You have to change the clock in the PC if you don't have auto daylight change in affect. Running Win 2K, you have to check that damn thing in any case of it won't let you set time to Daylight savings. Bill Gates and his I will take care of you attitude. On Sun, 01 Apr 2001 09:42:56 -0700, Dian Welle wrote: =>I am using PMMail 2000 Pro. Have Windows 98. Time is not adjusting =>for daylight savings... => =>Help? =>Dian => =>On Sun, 01 Apr 2001 13:50:47 +0200, Patrick Nijs wrote: => =>>On Sat, 31 Mar 2001 16:29:56 +0200 (CDT), Patrick Nijs wrote: =>> =>>>On Sat, 31 Mar 2001 15:52:56 +0200, Martin Jansen wrote: =>>> =>>>> =>>>>On my machine (Windows 2000 Professional) the correct time =>>>>is displayed. Which version of Windows did you use (last week =>>>>we had a time problem regarding "wintertime" with PMMail 2000 =>>>>on a machine running Windows 95 in the company I'm working for)? =>>>> =>>> =>>>in Windows 98 SE it's wrong, on my laptop with Windows NT it's OK, in OS/2 OK =>>> =>>today the fetchtime is correct, =>>I hope that has nothing to do with the date of the USA summertime, that went in this night =>>I presume ? =>> =>>_____________ =>>Patrick Nijs =>>Belgium =>> =>>- pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- =>>To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first =>>line of the message body being... =>>UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com =>> =>> =>> =>> => => => =>- pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- =>To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first =>line of the message body being... =>UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com => => => Gene Gough IBM - Retired Marietta, GA Gough Family Page : http://www.goughfamily.com/home/albums.htm Gough History : http://www.goughfamily.com/familytree/goughtree.html Professional Page : http://www.goughfamily.com/resume/software_expert.html - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Mon Apr 2 04:38:09 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Dian Welle) Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 20:38:09 -0700 Subject: [pmmail-list] fetchttime ? In-Reply-To: <200104012250.SAA13204@johnson.mail.mindspring.net> Message-ID: <200104020337.WAA23715@argon.west-point.org> On Sun, 01 Apr 2001 18:50:35 -0400, Gene Gough wrote: >You have to change the clock in the PC if you don't have auto daylight change in affect. Running Win 2K, you >have to check that damn thing in any case of it won't let you set time to Daylight savings. Bill Gates and his I >will take care of you attitude. Did that. Now have time set for Arizona time, which does not account for Daylight Savings. - Thanks for the tip, though. I have talked to several PMMail users who are experiencing the same thing. Dian - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Mon Apr 2 08:55:15 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Lueko Willms) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 08:55:15 +0100 (MEZ) Subject: [pmmail-list] Decoding MS-Tinnef? In-Reply-To: <200104011040.f31AeXX21007@fingers.shocking.com> Message-ID: <14jzK3-27IZqyC@fwd05.sul.t-online.com> On Sun, 01 Apr 2001 02:37:23 -0800 (PST), Steve Wendt wrote: > > You could try the tnef program here: > http://teamos2.ru/files/ Better without the "files/" Thankyou, that did it. Now, if I knew what to tell my correspondent how to configure her mailclient that it does not produce such tinnef in the first place... Yours, Lüko Willms Frankfurt/Main / Lueko.Willms@T-Online.de - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Mon Apr 2 09:29:31 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Steve Wendt) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 01:29:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [pmmail-list] Decoding MS-Tinnef? In-Reply-To: <14jzK3-27IZqyC@fwd05.sul.t-online.com> Message-ID: <200104020829.f328TWa27482@fingers.shocking.com> On Mon, 02 Apr 2001 08:55:15 +0100 (MEZ), Lueko Willms wrote: >> You could try the tnef program here: >> http://teamos2.ru/files/ > > Better without the "files/" Have they started updating their HTML again? I use that link because they keep adding new stuff, but don't make any indication on the web pages. :) ----------- "Good people do not need laws to tell them to act responsibly, while bad people will find a way around the laws." - Plato (427-347 B.C.) - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Mon Apr 2 15:05:46 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Paul Hodges) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 15:05:46 +0100 Subject: [pmmail-list] Decoding MS-Tinnef? In-Reply-To: <14jzK3-27IZqyC@fwd05.sul.t-online.com> Message-ID: <200104021505.4741804.7@mailgate.qbss.com> On Mon, 02 Apr 2001 08:55:15 +0100 (MEZ), Lueko Willms wrote: > Now, if I knew what to tell my correspondent > how to configure her mailclient that it does not produce such tinnef > in the first place... In Outlook, it is: menu: Tools | Options tab: Mail Format item: Send in this Message Format value: change from "MS Outlook Rich Text" to "Plain Text" ("HTML" is another, deprecated, option) Paul Hodges QBS Software Ltd - which now uses Outlook :-( - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Mon Apr 2 20:10:03 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Phil Kane) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 12:10:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [pmmail-list] fetchtime ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 13:04:22 -0700 >From: "Dian Welle" >On Sun, 01 Apr 2001 09:42:56 -0700, Dian Welle wrote: > >>I am using PMMail 2000 Pro. Have Windows 98. Time is not adjusting >>for daylight savings... WinNT adjusted just fine. >A temp. fix was for me to set myself for Arizona time, which does not >account for Daylight Savings. However, I sure would appreciate a fix. Lookout -- rumor is that The Congress in its infinite wisdom is going to pass "double Daylight time" meaning we'll go through another hour set-forward in May. -- Phil Kane From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest Beaverton (Washington County), Oregon - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Mon Apr 2 20:50:33 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Kenneth Porter) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 12:50:33 -0700 Subject: [pmmail-list] fetchtime ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200104021950.MAA12850@mail.well.com> On Mon, 02 Apr 2001 12:10:03 -0700 (PDT), Phil Kane wrote: > Lookout -- rumor is that The Congress in its infinite wisdom is > going to pass "double Daylight time" meaning we'll go through > another hour set-forward in May. Oh God! I hate the regular time change enough already. Do you have a cite for this? Perhaps a bill number or a committee schedule? Where do I go to complain? Ken mailto:shiva@well.com http://www.sewingwitch.com/ken/ [If answering a mailing list posting, please don't cc me your reply. I'll take my answer on the list.] - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Mon Apr 2 22:09:03 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Bill Hartwell) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 15:09:03 -0600 Subject: [pmmail-list] Unexplained Crashes In-Reply-To: <200104020829.f328TWa27482@fingers.shocking.com> Message-ID: <200104022109.PAA252122@nestor.NMSU.Edu> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Since installing PMMail 2000 v. 2.20.2100, I've had problems with PMMail simply shutting down without warning, whether it's retrieving mail, I'm composing a message, or whatever. There's no explanation for it, and I haven't yet been able to find a way to prevent it. Is there a newer version that solves this problem? If so, how do I get it? - -- Homepage: http://www.macmanusnet.net Fanfiction: http://crystal.macmanusnet.net Random thought for the day: "Don't try to have the last word. You might get it." - Lazarus Long -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPsdk version 1.7.1 (C) 1997-1999 Network Associates, Inc. and its affiliated companies. iQA/AwUBOsjqb1cSDScCypCGEQJs8gCgiberubQAKr7d+kQug7rRpmIXBhIAnjhI y/iAjTmTP5a7DsoP22zKS0Mq =uZrz -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Tue Apr 3 10:16:47 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (xavier caballe) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 11:16:47 +0200 Subject: [pmmail-list] Feature: Kill duplicates In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200104030923.f339Nkv06019@bastion.selseg.com> This is a feature I miss on PMMail: to find duplicate messages in the same folder. Xavi --- Foghorns blowing in the night, salt sea in the morning breeze, driving cars all allong the coastline... This must be what paradise is like - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Tue Apr 3 11:16:26 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Michael Gerdau) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 12:16:26 +0200 Subject: [pmmail-list] fetchtime ? - Probable explanation In-Reply-To: <200104021950.MAA12850@mail.well.com> Message-ID: <14kNsM-0BW80mC@fmrl05.sul.t-online.com> Hi folks ! All this fetchtime stuff is there in PMMail for quite a few years now. I have reported this at least three times (if not more often) without any (apparent) changes whatsoever. Meanwhile I have done some research as to the cause. FYC I'll insert my most recent bugreport. Maybe we could finally lobby the developers into fixing it. Here my recent bugreport: --- snip --- snip --- snip --- snip --- snip --- snip --- snip --- Dear PMMail support ! Here is my yearly complaint about PMMail not correctly handling DaylightSavingTime !!! This error is there for a couple of years now and has been reported by me for quite a few times. I even had a discussion regarding this topic and correctly handling Timezones with Bob back when PMMail was OS/2 only. As it is we do have DST in germany (and most part of europe) since last weekend - we do switch on last weekend of March and back on last weekend of october for a couple of years now. I don't know how PMMail does decide on the correct time - it certainly does not use Windows (either 2000 or NT) time as that *is* correct while PMMail is 1 hour off. I have done some testing on this issue and here is what I found out: - PMMail does work correctly if and only if there is no setting provided for TZ. - PMMail is 1 hour off when there is provided a TZ. I have further investigated this and found the following: - Cygnus tools and everything compiled with gcc does correctly conform to POSIX w/r to handling TZ. - IBM VAC does correctly handle it's own format. The first 3 fields are the same as POSIX. - Apparently MS VC++ does only know about the first 3 fields of a POSIX conformant setting for TZ (i.e. normal name, offset, saving name) and happily ignores anything behind it. While I understand blueprintsoftwareworks is in no position to fix the shortcomings of MS VC++ standard library, I nevertheless think the behaviour as it is now is less than satisfactory. What PMMail apparently does is using TZ when it is set. Due to shortcomings in MS VC++ standard library this implies that switching happens conforming to the method employed in the US (which seems to differ from most of europe). Simply removing TZ does solve the problem for PMMail. Unfortunately this is not an acceptable "solution" as this will cause other software - namely infozips ZIP - to not handle DST correctly. I therefor kindly ask you to fix this behaviour. Somewhat annoyed, best, Michael --- snip --- snip --- snip --- snip --- snip --- snip --- snip --- Best, Michael -- Vote against SPAM - see http://www.politik-digital.de/spam/ Michael Gerdau email: mgd@technosis.de The Windows Energizer Bunny: It's STILL loading! And loading... PGP-keys available on request or at public keyserver - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Tue Apr 3 14:16:34 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Simon Wright) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 15:16:34 +0200 (CDT) Subject: [pmmail-list] fetchtime ? - Probable explanation In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3A799A480041399F@freesurfmail.sunrise.ch> (added by postmaster@freesurf.ch) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 >Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 12:16:26 +0200 >From: "Michael Gerdau" >Subject: Re: [pmmail-list] fetchtime ? - Probable explanation - - snipped - >I have done some testing on this issue and here is what I found out: >- PMMail does work correctly if and only if there is no setting provided > for TZ. >- PMMail is 1 hour off when there is provided a TZ. I have further > investigated this and found the following: Michael, About the TZ issue, does the problem still occur if you use the full TZ variable? in my case: SET TZ=CET-1CDT,3,-1,0,3600,10,-1,0,3600,3600 for Switzerland or only if you use the short form of SET TZ=CET-1CDT (or whatever)? As far as I know, the short form will default to the US-standard of DST changes. To implement European standard I believe that you need to say exactly when the time change will occur. Hope this helps. Regards, Simon Wright. diver06@attglobal.net -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 5.0i OS/2 for non-commercial use Comment: PGP 5.0 for OS/2 Charset: cp850 wj8DBQE6ybETsiSG4vEhoCoRAoWDAJsGN78TIJPNNnj/IksFbpj1Tx5A/wCgqmp8 VqM32TO57vHpbcMq+biwohc= =hnHK -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Tue Apr 3 14:34:20 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Tom T. Pauncz) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 09:34:20 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [pmmail-list] Test Message-ID: <200104031335.f33DZh225691@mailsrvc.hrz.uni-oldenburg.de> Sorry for this post .. not sure if they are getting to the list ... Cheers, Tom - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Tue Apr 3 14:50:34 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Ulrich Jakobus) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 15:50:34 +0200 Subject: [pmmail-list] fetchtime ? - Probable explanation In-Reply-To: <14kNsM-0BW80mC@fmrl05.sul.t-online.com> Message-ID: <20010403135035.2FBD2D3D6@mail.emss.co.za> Hi, I was also a couple of years ago frustated by the incorrect treatment of TZ settings in Windows using PMMail, Infozip's zip and unzip, and also RCS, the revision control system. My experience in this regard: a) Setting TZ=CET-1CED-2,M3.5.0,M10.5.0 for Central Europe PMMail is correct RCS puts in correct timestamps zip/unzip have a 1 hour offset when DST becomes active (this is only relevant if one zips e.g. on Win32 and unzips on another system or in another timezone) b) Not setting TZ at all PMMail is correct zip/unzip are correct RCS is wrong (this can however be corrected by applying a patch to the source and setting RCSTZ=CET-1CED-2,M3.5.0,M10.5.0) Therefore I am using b) and everything is correct. The mail below also suggests to use option b), but claims that then the timestamps in zip/unzip are wrong, which I cannot confirm. I am daily transfering zip files across many Windows/UNIX systems in different timezones all over the world, and since this is source code the timestamps are very critical for the make process. Not setting TZ on Win32 and using zip 2.2 and unzip 5.41 (precompiled Win32 executables from e.g. ftp://ftp.icce.rug.nl/infozip/WIN32/) works for me. Bye, Ulrich On Tue, 03 Apr 2001 12:16:26 +0200, Michael Gerdau wrote: >Hi folks ! > >All this fetchtime stuff is there in PMMail for quite a few years >now. I have reported this at least three times (if not more often) >without any (apparent) changes whatsoever. > >Meanwhile I have done some research as to the cause. FYC I'll insert >my most recent bugreport. > >Maybe we could finally lobby the developers into fixing it. > >Here my recent bugreport: > >--- snip --- snip --- snip --- snip --- snip --- snip --- snip --- >Dear PMMail support ! > >Here is my yearly complaint about PMMail not correctly handling >DaylightSavingTime !!! > >This error is there for a couple of years now and has been reported >by me for quite a few times. I even had a discussion regarding this >topic and correctly handling Timezones with Bob back when PMMail was >OS/2 only. > >As it is we do have DST in germany (and most part of europe) since >last weekend - we do switch on last weekend of March and back on >last weekend of october for a couple of years now. > >I don't know how PMMail does decide on the correct time - it certainly >does not use Windows (either 2000 or NT) time as that *is* correct while >PMMail is 1 hour off. > > >I have done some testing on this issue and here is what I found out: >- PMMail does work correctly if and only if there is no setting provided > for TZ. >- PMMail is 1 hour off when there is provided a TZ. I have further > investigated this and found the following: > - Cygnus tools and everything compiled with gcc does correctly > conform to POSIX w/r to handling TZ. > - IBM VAC does correctly handle it's own format. The first 3 fields > are the same as POSIX. > - Apparently MS VC++ does only know about the first 3 fields of a > POSIX conformant setting for TZ (i.e. normal name, offset, saving name) > and happily ignores anything behind it. > > >While I understand blueprintsoftwareworks is in no position to fix the >shortcomings of MS VC++ standard library, I nevertheless think the >behaviour as it is now is less than satisfactory. > >What PMMail apparently does is using TZ when it is set. Due to >shortcomings in MS VC++ standard library this implies that switching >happens conforming to the method employed in the US (which seems to >differ from most of europe). > >Simply removing TZ does solve the problem for PMMail. Unfortunately >this is not an acceptable "solution" as this will cause other software >- namely infozips ZIP - to not handle DST correctly. > >I therefor kindly ask you to fix this behaviour. > >Somewhat annoyed, best, >Michael >--- snip --- snip --- snip --- snip --- snip --- snip --- snip --- > >Best, >Michael >-- > Vote against SPAM - see http://www.politik-digital.de/spam/ > Michael Gerdau email: mgd@technosis.de > The Windows Energizer Bunny: It's STILL loading! And loading... > PGP-keys available on request or at public keyserver > >- pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- >To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first >line of the message body being... >UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com > > - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Tue Apr 3 16:20:35 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Bill Hartwell) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 09:20:35 -0600 Subject: [pmmail-list] Unexplained Crashes In-Reply-To: <200104022109.PAA252122@nestor.NMSU.Edu> Message-ID: <200104031521.JAA75912@nestor.NMSU.Edu> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, 02 Apr 2001 15:09:03 -0600, Bill Hartwell wrote: >Since installing PMMail 2000 v. 2.20.2100, I've had problems with >PMMail simply shutting down without warning, whether it's retrieving >mail, I'm composing a message, or whatever. There's no explanation >for it, and I haven't yet been able to find a way to prevent it. Is >there a newer version that solves this problem? If so, how do I get >it? A followup to this - I updated to v 2.20.2200, and still have the same problem. However, I've learned one thing that is a guaranteed trigger of the crashes: If PMMail is fetching mail, and any other process is initiated, even something as simple as KookieJar changing the random tagline in my sigfile, PMMail crashes. - -- Homepage: http://www.macmanusnet.net Fanfiction: http://crystal.macmanusnet.net Random thought for the day: "Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum." translated "If you want peace you have to be ready for war." - Appius Claudius the Blind, proverb quoted in the Roman Senate, 281 BC. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPsdk version 1.7.1 (C) 1997-1999 Network Associates, Inc. and its affiliated companies. iQA/AwUBOsnqQlcSDScCypCGEQIRzgCfUiKIiYMqwur7yK+o5rV0xfJ8xZcAoNGU QNyUq/Dx52/Fb2NH13Wek3JS =5UHq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Tue Apr 3 17:03:04 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Tom T. Pauncz) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 12:03:04 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [pmmail-list] Unexplained Crashes In-Reply-To: <200104031521.JAA75912@nestor.NMSU.Edu> Message-ID: <200104031604.f33G4S202387@mailsrvc.hrz.uni-oldenburg.de> Interesting .. I am also having problems with 2.20.2200. On FP14, it gets a SYS3175 and PMSHELL blows away with some exception in PMMERGE.DLL. However, 2.10.2010 works fine. As a test I installed 2.20.2200 on another FP14 system and on that it appears to be rock solid. I wonder what is different on one that can be causing this and how to debug ?? Cheers, Tom - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Tue Apr 3 17:57:19 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Nihao) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 09:57:19 -0700 Subject: [pmmail-list] Unexplained Crashes In-Reply-To: <200104031521.JAA75912@nestor.NMSU.Edu> Message-ID: <0GB800E7A75PQC@mta5.snfc21.pbi.net> On Tue, 03 Apr 2001 09:20:35 -0600, Bill Hartwell wrote: >On Mon, 02 Apr 2001 15:09:03 -0600, Bill Hartwell wrote: > >A followup to this - I updated to v 2.20.2200, and still have the >same problem. However, I've learned one thing that is a guaranteed >trigger of the crashes: If PMMail is fetching mail, and any other >process is initiated, even something as simple as KookieJar changing >the random tagline in my sigfile, PMMail crashes. Yes, I've noticed the same thing. When PMMail crashes, it was almost always in the middle of mail management in remote control, or fetching the actual mail. Oh, and there must be another process running. I don't believe I've had it crash when it was doing nothing else., or when it was the only process loaded. -Warner Young - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Tue Apr 3 18:46:54 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Phil Kane) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 10:46:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [pmmail-list] fetchtime ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 12:50:33 -0700 >From: "Kenneth Porter" >> Lookout -- rumor is that The Congress in its infinite wisdom is >> going to pass "double Daylight time" meaning we'll go through >> another hour set-forward in May. > >Oh God! I hate the regular time change enough already. Do you have a >cite for this? Perhaps a bill number or a committee schedule? Where do >I go to complain? According to a squib on NPR, The Congress in its infinite wisdom very quietly and quickly passed a bill, now signed into law, that PERMITS but not requires individual Western states to advance "Daylight" time (also known as "Advanved Time" in the communications industry) an additional hour, allegedly to ameliorate power shortfalls. Those of us with professional degrees in power engineering know that the best way to ameliorate such shortages is to build more generating capacity, the sooner the better, but that's a different rant.... -- === PMK === - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Tue Apr 3 21:19:58 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Paul Ratcliffe) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 21:19:58 +0100 (BST) Subject: [pmmail-list] fetchtime ? - Probable explanation In-Reply-To: <14kNsM-0BW80mC@fmrl05.sul.t-online.com> Message-ID: <200104032019.VAA016.41@mail.pr.network> On Tue, 03 Apr 2001 12:16:26 +0200, Michael Gerdau wrote: >- PMMail is 1 hour off when there is provided a TZ. I have further > investigated this and found the following: > - Cygnus tools and everything compiled with gcc does correctly > conform to POSIX w/r to handling TZ. > - IBM VAC does correctly handle it's own format. The first 3 fields > are the same as POSIX. As far as I could tell, I had a problem with a program I wrote myself in VAC++, but only between 1am and 2am on April 1st. I know this program is written properly as I was very careful about this part of the design. It seems that virtually every compiler library has bugs in it regarding this timezone stuff, therefore every application will have bugs. There is not a lot the application writers can do about it. It is quite frankly a nightmare. I suspect a lot of it is to do with some stupid default behaviour tied in with American conventions - after all, they think they invented time. - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Tue Apr 3 22:49:52 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Michael Gerdau) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 23:49:52 +0200 Subject: [pmmail-list] fetchtime ? - Probable explanation In-Reply-To: <3A799A480041399F@freesurfmail.sunrise.ch> (added by postmaster@freesurf.ch) Message-ID: <14kYhv-23w8mWC@fmrl06.sul.t-online.com> Hi ! I'm answering a couple of mails in this one. Simon Wright wrote: >About the TZ issue, does the problem still occur if you use the >full TZ variable? > >in my case: > >SET TZ=CET-1CDT,3,-1,0,3600,10,-1,0,3600,3600 > >for Switzerland or only if you use the short form of SET >TZ=CET-1CDT (or whatever)? As far as I know, the short form will >default to the US-standard of DST changes. To implement European >standard I believe that you need to say exactly when the time >change will occur. It happens with the full setting as well. I have tried both TZ=CET-1CED,3,-1,0,7200,10,-1,0,10800,3600 (IBM VAC style) and TZ=CET-1CED,M3.5.0/2:00,M10.5.0/3:00 (POSIX; EMX OS/2; gcc AFAIK) Both of the above strings do mean switch on last week of march during night Sa/So at 02:00 by 1 hour and go back on last week of october during night Sa/So at 03:00. Omitting the last part means "default to whatever the c-runtime lib feels should be the default" (note: with most compilers coming from the US this usually is US handling - however there is nothing in the standard saying it has to be US). Unfortunately the MS VC c-runtime lib does only support the first three fields. I therefor assume this is the *real* reason for this IMO rather weird behavior. The problem only exists for 1 week a year, i.e. when central europe already has switched to DST while the US has not yet. 7 days later there is no more problem. Ulrich Jakobus wrote: >I was also a couple of years ago frustated by the incorrect >treatment of TZ settings in Windows using PMMail, Infozip's >zip and unzip, and also RCS, the revision control system. >My experience in this regard: > > a) Setting TZ=CET-1CED-2,M3.5.0,M10.5.0 for Central Europe > PMMail is correct > RCS puts in correct timestamps > zip/unzip have a 1 hour offset when DST becomes active > (this is only relevant if one zips e.g. on Win32 and > unzips on another system or in another timezone) > > b) Not setting TZ at all > PMMail is correct > zip/unzip are correct > RCS is wrong (this can however be corrected by applying > a patch to the source and setting RCSTZ=CET-1CED-2,M3.5.0,M10.5.0) As I already wrote: using POSIX does not help during the 1 week central europe is in front of the US (which leads me to believe they simply ignore anything after the thrid field). I'm not sure it is an issue anywhere else in the world though. In central europe we switched during the night from 24./25. March. From then on PMMail was one our off unless I completely remove TZ. Apparently the US switched during 31.March/1.April. Since then I can again set my TZ and PMMail remains correct. This happened during the last couple of years. The problem exists for 7 days and vanishes. I yearly reported it to Southsoft and Blueprintsoftwareworks eversince I first came across it. So far I have not had any reaction apart from a small exchange with Bob when he asked me about some specifics w/r to determining which would be the acronym of particular timezones. In my reports I always remarked that the problem might be specific to europe and not detectable in the US (usually together with offering assistance in tracking it down). So far no reaction whatsoever. Therefor I'm kind of frustrated. Best, Michael -- Vote against SPAM - see http://www.politik-digital.de/spam/ Michael Gerdau email: mgd@technosis.de Windows NT = Windows, Nice Try! PGP-keys available on request or at public keyserver - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Wed Apr 4 16:48:49 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Mark Overholser) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 08:48:49 -0700 Subject: [pmmail-list] PMMail 2000 Not Picking up Daylight Savings time change In-Reply-To: <20010404162301.621A470CC5@server5.safepages.com> Message-ID: <200104041659.f34Gx0226195@mailsrvc.hrz.uni-oldenburg.de> On Wed, 04 Apr 2001 11:23:28 -0600, Paul J. Christiansen wrote: >Anybody notice that PMM 2000 is not picking up the fact that Windows now shows the proper daylight >savings time, but is showing us standard time? > >Paul Christiansen > Yes, I noticed the same problem... My setting for "Automatically adjust clock for daylight saving changes" is NOT CHECKED. This is not the DEFAULT for Windows. Could yours be the same?? Using PMMail2000 2.10.2010.. MarkO Mark Overholser OS/2 2.11, Warp 3.0 and Warp 4.0 User ( And Currently COBOL Programmer) marko555@home.com http://members.home.com/marko555 NEW!! Priorty Master II Version 2.6 . Is located at the ScheduPerformance, Inc. home page.. Also see the Windows Version of Priorty Master II and GET THE WINDOWS DEMO Version of Priorty Master II Ver. 2.6 - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Wed Apr 4 17:49:01 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Bruce Francis) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 12:49:01 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [pmmail-list] PMMail 2000 Not Picking up Daylight Savings time change In-Reply-To: <20010404162301.621A470CC5@server5.safepages.com> Message-ID: <20010404164907.D75863258D@scribe.pobox.com> On Wed, 04 Apr 2001 11:23:28 -0600, Paul J. Christiansen wrote: >Anybody notice that PMM 2000 is not picking up the fact that Windows now shows the proper daylight >savings time, but is showing us standard time? Yeah, I think a few (dozen) people have noticed that. And your next (unasked) question: no, I haven't seen any response from BSW. ===================================== Now a (small) project for someone with Windows programmin capability. I am running a Rexx exit from both PMMail/2 and PMINews which calls (with proper arguments) an OS/2 program "GetTZ". GetTZ parses the Config.sys TZ= command and then force-sets the timezone in either PMMail or PMINews based on the finding. Even though some recent PMMail releases have touted "TZ compatibility" I have left this call in. I have not seen the problems reported, but I am in the U.S. and according to someone's wonderful post recently I doubt that I would see the problem described. If someone with Windows programming setup wants to go to: http://hobbes.nmsu.edu/pub/os2/apps/internet/mail/reader/pmm/gettz11.zip the archive has the source for the parser. You could recompile it to run under Windows and test it. If it works then we might have an interim solution.... Here is the Rexx exit I'm using: ============= SetTZ.cmd ============ /**/ '@echo off' 'GetTZ F:\SouthSde\PMMAIL\PMMAIL.INI GLOBAL TZOFFSET' exit ================================== One last thing: PMMail (and PMINews) only make the check for timezone when the program starts up -- if you're leaving PMMail open for a long time (eg, over the daylight savings time change) it will not make a change until it is restarted. --- Bruce Francis BFrancis@pobox.com For PGP Public key: email with Subject "BFrancis Public Key" ________________________________________________________ - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Wed Apr 4 18:23:28 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Paul J. Christiansen) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 11:23:28 -0600 Subject: [pmmail-list] PMMail 2000 Not Picking up Daylight Savings time change Message-ID: <20010404162301.621A470CC5@server5.safepages.com> Anybody notice that PMM 2000 is not picking up the fact that Windows now shows the proper daylight savings time, but is showing us standard time? Paul Christiansen - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Wed Apr 4 19:33:44 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (PMMail OS/2 Support) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 15:33:44 -0300 Subject: [pmmail-list] fetchtime ? - Probable explanation Message-ID: <200104041837.f34Ib1228893@mailsrvc.hrz.uni-oldenburg.de> On Tue, 03 Apr 2001 23:49:52 +0200, Michael Gerdau wrote: >It happens with the full setting as well. > >I have tried both >TZ=CET-1CED,3,-1,0,7200,10,-1,0,10800,3600 (IBM VAC style) >and >TZ=CET-1CED,M3.5.0/2:00,M10.5.0/3:00 (POSIX; EMX OS/2; gcc AFAIK) [...] >I yearly reported it to Southsoft and Blueprintsoftwareworks eversince >I first came across it. > >So far I have not had any reaction [From Blueprint Software Works] Here is a reply from the developer: ==================BEGIN FORWARDED MESSAGE================== The bug is caused by the fact that PMMail uses the Windows API GetTimeZoneInformation *and* in the same code uses the C-library time functions for misc. time calculations. There's nothing wrong with using the Windows APIs for this purpose, but when doing this, it is of utmost importance that the C-library calculation is disabled. You can't have both in effect, because that will of course give the wrong result when both your code (using the Win API) and the C-library tries to compensate for DST. [...] I have now made sure that the TZ variable always is reset for the PMMail process. This should take care of the problem permanently. FWIW, the MSVC++ TZ implementation is crippled and cannot handle the long format suggested [above]. But, it's still a good suggestion and it probably works well in PMMail/2 ;-) ===================END FORWARDED MESSAGE=================== -- Trevor Smith PMMail/2 Technical Support pmmailos2@blueprintsoftwareworks.com - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Wed Apr 4 20:57:31 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Bruce Francis) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 15:57:31 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [pmmail-list] fetchtime ? - Probable explanation In-Reply-To: <20010404183652.228717A157@mate.pobox.com> Message-ID: <20010404195733.9B83132589@scribe.pobox.com> On Wed, 04 Apr 2001 15:33:44 -0300, PMMail OS/2 Support wrote: >Here is a reply from the developer: THANKS !! --- Bruce Francis BFrancis@pobox.com For PGP Public key: email with Subject "BFrancis Public Key" ________________________________________________________ - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Wed Apr 4 21:39:19 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Stanley Sidlov) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 16:39:19 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [pmmail-list] Canned Reply needs an attachment Message-ID: <200104042049.UAA18400720@smtp4ve.mailsrvcs.net> Is there a way to put an attachment into a canned reply? [Be specific] TIA! Stan - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Wed Apr 4 21:52:28 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Michael Gerdau) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 22:52:28 +0200 Subject: [pmmail-list] fetchtime ? - Probable explanation Message-ID: <14kuHS-1DHY9YC@fmrl07.sul.t-online.com> >I have now made sure that the TZ variable always is reset for the >PMMail process. This should take care of the problem permanently. Highly appreciated. Thank you very much indeed. Best, Michael -- Vote against SPAM - see http://www.politik-digital.de/spam/ Michael Gerdau email: mgd@technosis.de I'm not a Windows user, but I play one on TV. PGP-keys available on request or at public keyserver - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Wed Apr 4 21:58:59 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Bruce Francis) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 16:58:59 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [pmmail-list] Canned Reply needs an attachment In-Reply-To: <200104042049.UAA18400720@smtp4ve.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <20010404205900.E7DDC32594@scribe.pobox.com> On Wed, 04 Apr 2001 16:39:19 -0400 (EDT), Stanley Sidlov wrote: >Is there a way to put an attachment into a canned reply? [Be specific] Haven't tried it (and I'm not sure what you're trying to attach...) but I just did Help (from master window) | Help Index | ICSL Variables Look under $a.filename$ to attach a specific file(name) into your canned reply. --- Bruce Francis BFrancis@pobox.com For PGP Public key: email with Subject "BFrancis Public Key" ________________________________________________________ - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Wed Apr 4 22:26:20 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Stanley Sidlov) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 17:26:20 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [pmmail-list] Canned Reply needs an attachment In-Reply-To: <20010404205900.E7DDC32594@scribe.pobox.com> Message-ID: <200104042136.VAA19519917@smtp4ve.mailsrvcs.net> On Wed, 04 Apr 2001 16:58:59 -0400 (EDT), Bruce Francis wrote: >Haven't tried it (and I'm not sure what you're trying to attach...) >but I just did Help (from master window) | Help Index | ICSL Variables > >Look under $a.filename$ to attach a specific file(name) into your >canned reply. Thank you it works very nicely..... - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Wed Apr 4 23:46:31 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (PMMail OS/2 Support) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 19:46:31 -0300 Subject: [pmmail-list] PMMail 2000 Not Picking up Daylight Savings time change In-Reply-To: <20010404164907.D75863258D@scribe.pobox.com> Message-ID: <200104042248.f34MmJ201367@mailsrvc.hrz.uni-oldenburg.de> On Wed, 04 Apr 2001 12:49:01 -0400 (EDT), Bruce Francis wrote: >And your next (unasked) question: no, I haven't seen any response from BSW. This is fixed (if it's what I think you're referring to) and I posted a notice about it earlier today (but after you sent your message). -- Trevor Smith PMMail/2 Technical Support pmmailos2@blueprintsoftwareworks.com - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Wed Apr 4 23:53:28 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Bruce Francis) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 18:53:28 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [pmmail-list] PMMail 2000 Not Picking up Daylight Savings time change In-Reply-To: <20010404224810.775767A10D@mate.pobox.com> Message-ID: <20010404225329.19E583258D@scribe.pobox.com> On Wed, 04 Apr 2001 19:46:31 -0300, PMMail OS/2 Support wrote: >On Wed, 04 Apr 2001 12:49:01 -0400 (EDT), Bruce Francis wrote: > >>And your next (unasked) question: no, I haven't seen any response from BSW. > >This is fixed (if it's what I think you're referring to) and I posted >a notice about it earlier today (but after you sent your message). Yes. and yes. and thanks again. --- Bruce Francis BFrancis@pobox.com For PGP Public key: email with Subject "BFrancis Public Key" ________________________________________________________ - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Thu Apr 5 02:32:33 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Gene Gough) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 21:32:33 -0400 Subject: [pmmail-list] FOR BSW to answer PLEASE Message-ID: <200104050132.VAA15337@hall.mail.mindspring.net> What are the plans to make PMMAIL 2000 work with IE for forwarding pages, etc... the other similar operations in which it does not work? Gene Gough IBM - Retired Marietta, GA Gough Family Page : http://www.goughfamily.com/home/albums.htm Gough History : http://www.goughfamily.com/familytree/goughtree.html Professional Page : http://www.goughfamily.com/resume/software_expert.html - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Thu Apr 5 20:25:49 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Barnabo, Chris) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 15:25:49 -0400 Subject: [pmmail-list] Time zone woes - PMMail on Win2K Message-ID: <200104052025.f35KPrL11831@smtp.snet.net> I'm running PMMail98 on Windows 2000 and just noticed that the time zones are out of whack. The system clock reports that it's 4:23pm and that I'm in the Eastern Time Zone on Daylight Savings Time (all these are correct). PMMail just fetched mail and reports "Last Fetch: 4/5/2001 4:23:05 PM", and all mail sent is going out with the timestamp an hour off of "real" time. I can't seem to figure out how to correct PMMail's time zone - any suggestions? -- Chris ________*________ Chris Barnabo, chris@spagnet.com ____________ \_______________/ www.spagnet.com \__________/ / / __\ \_______/ /__ "The heck with the Prime Directive, \_______________/(- let's destroy something!" - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Fri Apr 6 00:19:00 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Michael Gerdau) Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 01:19:00 +0200 Subject: [pmmail-list] Time zone woes - PMMail on Win2K In-Reply-To: <200104052025.f35KPrL11831@smtp.snet.net> Message-ID: <14lJ2s-25KD5cC@fmrl02.sul.t-online.com> >I'm running PMMail98 on Windows 2000 and just noticed that the time zones are >out of whack. The system clock reports that it's 4:23pm and that I'm in the >Eastern Time Zone on Daylight Savings Time (all these are correct). PMMail >just fetched mail and reports "Last Fetch: 4/5/2001 4:23:05 PM", and all mail >sent is going out with the timestamp an hour off of "real" time. > >I can't seem to figure out how to correct PMMail's time zone - any >suggestions? Try unsetting your TZ-environment variable. I assume "Eastern Time Zone" means you live in the US. If that is correct I'm somewhat surprised by this behavior as according to other reports this seemed to work for everyone doing the switch to DST at the same time as the US (which obviously is true for the US ;-) Weird, best, Michael -- Vote against SPAM - see http://www.politik-digital.de/spam/ Michael Gerdau email: mgd@technosis.de Windows is a kolossal kludge. PGP-keys available on request or at public keyserver - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Fri Apr 6 02:18:41 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (John Swartzentruber) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 21:18:41 -0400 Subject: [pmmail-list] Fwd: Re: PMMail has wrong time Message-ID: <200104060121.f361LQ221894@mailsrvc.hrz.uni-oldenburg.de> I just realized that I sent this to the other list and not this one. It should be of interest here and appears to explain some of the time problems. ==================BEGIN FORWARDED MESSAGE================== From: "John Swartzentruber" To: "Barnabo, Chris" , "pmmail@dmiyu.org" Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 20:09:35 -0400 Subject: Re: PMMail has wrong time On Thu, 05 Apr 2001 16:20:03 -0400, Barnabo, Chris wrote: >I can't recall this happening before and I've used PMMail for years, is >there something peculiar about this year that has it confused? Or have I >just managed to miss seeing the problem for the last 4 years ... :-) Could it be related to this: Microsoft's "April Fools Day Bug" (http://msdn.microsoft.com/visualc/headlines/2001.asp). It seems that a common version of Microsoft's C compiler calculates the start of Daylight Savings Time wrong on years when April 1st falls on a Sunday, so that any programs compiled using that compiler think that DST doesn't start until April 8th. ===================END FORWARDED MESSAGE=================== - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Fri Apr 6 06:55:36 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Stefan Kirch) Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 07:55:36 +0200 Subject: [pmmail-list] Feature Request: Canned Replies with Shortcut Message-ID: <200104060608.f3668X224892@mailsrvc.hrz.uni-oldenburg.de> Hi! Wouldn't it be great, to include Canned Replies with ShortCuts? It seem's to be, that the only way, to select a canned repliy is to use the mouse and this stops the fast way with the keyboard. Using the Windows-Popup-Menu-Key is a better way, but I would be great, to use e.g. Ctrl + Alt + 1 for the first Canned Reply, Ctrl + Alt + 2 for the second and so on. Steff - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Fri Apr 6 08:11:27 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Michael Gerdau) Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 09:11:27 +0200 Subject: [pmmail-list] Fwd: Re: PMMail has wrong time Message-ID: <14lQQ5-2IAYj2C@fmrl05.sul.t-online.com> >I just realized that I sent this to the other list and not this one. It >should be of interest here and appears to explain some of the time >problems. [snip] >Could it be related to this: > >Microsoft's "April Fools Day Bug" >(http://msdn.microsoft.com/visualc/headlines/2001.asp). [snip] According to that webpage this problem is known since at least 5-Aug-99. Since then there were at least 2 fixpacks for VisualStudio 6 which according to the above URL should fix the problem. So does it mean only systems whose msvcrt.dll is older than the above date might be affected ? Best, Michael -- Vote against SPAM - see http://www.politik-digital.de/spam/ Michael Gerdau email: mgd@technosis.de One man's Windows are another man's walls. PGP-keys available on request or at public keyserver - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Fri Apr 6 14:03:11 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Allan McLane) Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 09:03:11 -0400 Subject: [pmmail-list] Feature Request: Canned Replies with Shortcut In-Reply-To: <200104060608.f3668PZ10425@mailgate0.sover.net> Message-ID: <200104061303.f36D3De14926@mailgate0.sover.net> On Fri, 06 Apr 2001 07:55:36 +0200, Stefan Kirch wrote: >Hi! > >Wouldn't it be great, to include Canned Replies with ShortCuts? >It seem's to be, that the only way, to select a canned repliy >is to use the mouse and this stops the fast way with the keyboard. >Using the Windows-Popup-Menu-Key is a better way, but I would >be great, to use e.g. Ctrl + Alt + 1 for the first Canned Reply, >Ctrl + Alt + 2 for the second and so on. > > Steff This would be a problem for me since I have, at the moment, 72 canned replies on my list for one of my accounts. It's a customer-support account. --allan - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Fri Apr 6 14:03:19 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (John Swartzentruber) Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 09:03:19 -0400 Subject: [pmmail-list] Fwd: Re: PMMail has wrong time In-Reply-To: <14lQQ5-2IAYj2C@fmrl05.sul.t-online.com> Message-ID: <200104061312.f36DC5218713@mailsrvc.hrz.uni-oldenburg.de> On Fri, 06 Apr 2001 09:11:27 +0200, Michael Gerdau wrote: >So does it mean only systems whose msvcrt.dll is older than the above >date might be affected ? I don't know. If the program dynamically links to the CRT in a DLL, I think this would be the case. If they do a static link, then I would think it would be dependent on the version of the library they linked with. I don't see MSVCRT.DLL as a primary dependency of PMMAILW.EXE, but it is listed as a dependency of COMDLG32.DLL. I suspect PMMail 2000 is statically linked to the run-time library. If the developers haven't patched up to the latest Service Pack (I think it is SP4 for Visual Studio), they need to. They also need to be sure they are distributing the latest DLLs. - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Fri Apr 6 15:19:24 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Barnabo, Chris) Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 10:19:24 -0400 Subject: [pmmail-list] Fwd: Re: PMMail has wrong time Message-ID: <200104061519.f36FJRL10695@smtp.snet.net> On Fri, 06 Apr 2001 09:11:27 +0200, Michael Gerdau wrote: >According to that webpage this problem is known since at least 5-Aug-99. >Since then there were at least 2 fixpacks for VisualStudio 6 which >according to the above URL should fix the problem. Well, that explains why I'm busted ... still running PMMail 98, pmmailw.exe has a filedate of 4/20/98 ... I just never saw a reason to upgrade (and I guess if this is still busted in PMMail 2000 I still don't!) At least it'll clear itself up on Sunday. :-) -- Chris ________*________ Chris Barnabo, chris@spagnet.com ____________ \_______________/ www.spagnet.com \__________/ / / __\ \_______/ /__ "The heck with the Prime Directive, \_______________/(- let's destroy something!" - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Fri Apr 6 15:21:08 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Jimmy S. McCorquodale, Jr.) Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 10:21:08 -0400 Subject: [pmmail-list] Fwd: Re: PMMail has wrong time Message-ID: <200104061442.f36Egt223299@mailsrvc.hrz.uni-oldenburg.de> Thanks John, I tested with a machine running the 2.10.2010 release and it is the cause for so many of the problems this year. PMMail does have some DST issues, but Peter has fixed them. Thanks, jimmy On Thu, 05 Apr 2001 21:18:41 -0400, John Swartzentruber wrote: I just realized that I sent this to the other list and not this one. It should be of interest here and appears to explain some of the time problems. ==================BEGIN FORWARDED MESSAGE================== From: "John Swartzentruber" To: "Barnabo, Chris" , "pmmail@dmiyu.org" Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 20:09:35 -0400 Subject: Re: PMMail has wrong time On Thu, 05 Apr 2001 16:20:03 -0400, Barnabo, Chris wrote: >I can't recall this happening before and I've used PMMail for years, is >there something peculiar about this year that has it confused? Or have I >just managed to miss seeing the problem for the last 4 years ... :-) Could it be related to this: Microsoft's "April Fools Day Bug" (http://msdn.microsoft.com/visualc/headlines/2001.asp). It seems that a common version of Microsoft's C compiler calculates the start of Daylight Savings Time wrong on years when April 1st falls on a Sunday, so that any programs compiled using that compiler think that DST doesn't start until April 8th. ===================END FORWARDED MESSAGE=================== - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Jimmy S. McCorquodale, Jr. jimmym@blueprintsoftwareworks.com http://www.blueprintsoftwareworks.com Fon: 910-452-4787 Fax: 910-452-4046 - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Fri Apr 6 16:19:55 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Jimmy S. McCorquodale, Jr.) Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 11:19:55 -0400 Subject: [pmmail-list] Fwd: Re: PMMail has wrong time In-Reply-To: <200104061519.f36FJRL10695@smtp.snet.net> Message-ID: <200104061543.f36Fhq225734@mailsrvc.hrz.uni-oldenburg.de> PMMail 2000 version 2.20.2030, 2.20.2100, and 2.20.2200 do not suffer from this error. Thanks, jimmy On Fri, 06 Apr 2001 10:19:24 -0400, Barnabo, Chris wrote: I just never saw a reason to upgrade (and I guess if this is still busted in PMMail 2000 I still don't!) Jimmy S. McCorquodale, Jr. jimmym@blueprintsoftwareworks.com http://www.blueprintsoftwareworks.com Fon: 910-452-4787 Fax: 910-452-4046 - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Fri Apr 6 17:47:02 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Jimmy S. McCorquodale, Jr.) Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 12:47:02 -0400 Subject: [pmmail-list] FOR BSW to answer PLEASE In-Reply-To: <200104050132.VAA15337@hall.mail.mindspring.net> Message-ID: <200104061654.f36Gsi227886@mailsrvc.hrz.uni-oldenburg.de> Hello Gene and All, My understanding is that this is part of MAPI functionality. We will be incorporating this into PMMail, though I do not yet have the timeframe for it. Thanks, jimmy On Wed, 04 Apr 2001 21:32:33 -0400, Gene Gough wrote: What are the plans to make PMMAIL 2000 work with IE for forwarding pages, etc... the other similar operations in which it does not work? Jimmy S. McCorquodale, Jr. jimmym@blueprintsoftwareworks.com http://www.blueprintsoftwareworks.com Fon: 910-452-4787 Fax: 910-452-4046 - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Fri Apr 6 18:33:56 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Dian Welle) Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 10:33:56 -0700 Subject: [pmmail-list] Fwd: Re: PMMail has wrong time In-Reply-To: <200104061441.JAA02387@westpoint.west-point.org> Message-ID: <200104061734.MAA23575@argon.west-point.org> When I downloaded the most recent version (sent to me by Jimmy --- thank you, Jimmy) it solved my time issues. Dian Welle - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Fri Apr 6 20:06:33 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Gene Gough) Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 15:06:33 -0400 Subject: [pmmail-list] FOR BSW to answer PLEASE In-Reply-To: <200104061254.tcrt6j.hsb.37kbi1v@osgood.mail.mindspring.net> Message-ID: <200104061906.PAA10101@barry.mail.mindspring.net> Thanks for the answer Jimmy. On Fri, 06 Apr 2001 12:47:02 -0400, Jimmy S. McCorquodale, Jr. wrote: =>Hello Gene and All, => =>My understanding is that this is part of MAPI functionality. => =>We will be incorporating this into PMMail, though I do not yet have the timeframe for it. => =>Thanks, => =>jimmy => => =>On Wed, 04 Apr 2001 21:32:33 -0400, Gene Gough wrote: => =>What are the plans to make PMMAIL 2000 work with IE for forwarding pages, etc... the other similar operations =>in which it does not work? => => => =>Jimmy S. McCorquodale, Jr. =>jimmym@blueprintsoftwareworks.com => =>http://www.blueprintsoftwareworks.com =>Fon: 910-452-4787 =>Fax: 910-452-4046 => =>- pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- =>To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first =>line of the message body being... =>UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com => => => Gene Gough IBM - Retired Marietta, GA Gough Family Page : http://www.goughfamily.com/home/albums.htm Gough History : http://www.goughfamily.com/familytree/goughtree.html Professional Page : http://www.goughfamily.com/resume/software_expert.html - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Sat Apr 7 02:37:15 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (David Ondzes) Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 21:37:15 -0400 Subject: [pmmail-list] Fwd: Re: PMMail has wrong time In-Reply-To: <20010406154344.34BE27A111@mate.pobox.com> Message-ID: <200104070238.WAA27750@mercury.mv.net> Where can I find these version ? >PMMail 2000 version 2.20.2030, 2.20.2100, and 2.20.2200 do not suffer from this error. > >Thanks, > >jimmy > >On Fri, 06 Apr 2001 10:19:24 -0400, Barnabo, Chris wrote: > >I just never saw a reason to upgrade (and I guess if this is still busted in >PMMail 2000 I still don't!) > >Jimmy S. McCorquodale, Jr. >jimmym@blueprintsoftwareworks.com > >http://www.blueprintsoftwareworks.com >Fon: 910-452-4787 >Fax: 910-452-4046 > >- pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- >To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first >line of the message body being... >UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com > > > > > - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Sat Apr 7 07:56:17 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Menno Tillema) Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 08:56:17 +0200 (CDT) Subject: [pmmail-list] Fwd: Re: PMMail has wrong time In-Reply-To: <200104070238.WAA27750@mercury.mv.net> Message-ID: <200104070752.f377qLk76706@hgatenl.hobby.nl> On Fri, 06 Apr 2001 21:37:15 -0400, David Ondzes wrote: > >PMMail 2000 version 2.20.2030, 2.20.2100, and 2.20.2200 do not suffer from this error. > Where can I find these version ? I downloaded my copy of version 2.20.2200 from www.pmmail2000.com. I don't know if the other versions are still on the site. -- Tot mails, Menno Tillema Kijk ook eens op http://www.heemschut.nl - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Sat Apr 7 08:19:32 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Martin Jansen) Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 09:19:32 +0200 Subject: [pmmail-list] Fwd: Re: PMMail has wrong time In-Reply-To: <200104070238.WAA27750@mercury.mv.net> Message-ID: <200104070726.f377Qh206275@mailsrvc.hrz.uni-oldenburg.de> On Fri, 06 Apr 2001 21:37:15 -0400, David Ondzes wrote: >Where can I find these version ? http://www.pmmail2000.com/download.html -Martin - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Sat Apr 7 08:30:33 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Dian Welle) Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 00:30:33 -0700 Subject: [pmmail-list] Fwd: Re: PMMail has wrong time In-Reply-To: <200104070238.WAA27750@mercury.mv.net> Message-ID: <200104070730.CAA00745@argon.west-point.org> On Fri, 06 Apr 2001 21:37:15 -0400, David Ondzes wrote: >Where can I find these version ? Please note, these were the URL's sent to me to update the version *I* had. I was accidently sent the Standard version rather than the Pro version I needed, which is how I got both addresses. I do not know if these would be appropriate updates for you, and would suggest you contact support to be sure. http://www.pmmail2000.com/betas/PMMail2kPro.exe http://www.pmmail2000.com/betas/PMMail2kStd.exe Dian - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Sat Apr 7 13:25:16 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com) Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 12:25:16 +0000 Subject: [pmmail-list] SMTP authentication Message-ID: <20010407122517.SYQK3612.mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> I was happy with the previous version of PMMail, however the DSL account I'm now using requires SMTP authentication, so I upgraded. But it's not working. I've double checked all the settings, making sure they're identical to the Netscape email settings (which work well, as far as I can see -- I've successfully sent mail from there at any rate). But it just won't send -- the error log messages are mostly Sat, 07 Apr 01 08:16:03 ==> 535 Authentication failure ; This is the error that resulted during the SMTP logon with an occasional server time out Sat, 07 Apr 01 08:24:13 ==> Error ; Server connection timed out - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Sat Apr 7 14:58:13 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Gregory L. Marx) Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 09:58:13 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [pmmail-list] SMTP authentication In-Reply-To: <20010407122517.SYQK3612.mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: <200104071402.OAA8736301@smtp7ve.mailsrvcs.net> On Sat, 07 Apr 2001 12:25:16 +0000, raphaelt@att.net wrote: With my DSL setup and running PMMail on both OS2 and Windows 2000 I had to make sure I used the "real" email address I was assigned by Verizon when I initially setup my DSL account ... and not use the alias I was also given ... Once I did that sending and receiving runs just fine ... Hope this helps ... Greg > >I was happy with the previous version of PMMail, >however the DSL account I'm now using requires >SMTP authentication, so I upgraded. > >But it's not working. I've double checked all the >settings, making sure they're identical to the >Netscape email settings (which work well, as far >as I can see -- I've successfully sent mail from >there at any rate). But it just won't send -- the >error log messages are mostly > >Sat, 07 Apr 01 08:16:03 ==> 535 Authentication >failure ; This is the error that resulted during >the SMTP logon > >with an occasional server time out > >Sat, 07 Apr 01 08:24:13 ==> Error ; Server >connection timed out >- pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- >To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first >line of the message body being... >UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com > > - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Sat Apr 7 15:38:44 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Randy Fowler (personal acct)) Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 10:38:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [pmmail-list] Export address book woes Message-ID: <0497b4735140741FE8@mail8.sc.rr.com> In my address book manager, I have many seperate address books. I'd like to export the email addresses contained in just a few of these to share with associates, but not all of them! Problem is, the export tool apparantly exports *every* email address contained in the entire address book manager, sorted by creation date. This would be OK if each individual addr book name were included in a field of each record but it's not. Any work around for this problem, other than manually editing the resulting Export file? Thanks, Randy ------- Sample lines from the output of Export tool ------- Adr,"support@travelclick.net","TravelCLICK Support","TravelCLICK Support",1,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Adr,"BStJohn@Serenity-Systems.com","Bob St.John","Bob St.John",1,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Grp,"Mintha Linn;Lisa Holley;English Nagy;Robbie Randolf","RIC Sales Staff","RIC Sales Staff",1, ---------- Online Help from PMMail/2 2.10.1999 ------------ The format for the Imported/Exported Comma seperated file in the Address book is as follows. There is one address book entry per line in the file. For Address Groups the format is as follows with each field seperated with a comma.  Grp (the exact text of Grp),  email addresses (each address should be seperated by a semicolon (;)),  alias,  group name,  on popup menu (this field is either a one (1) or a zero (0)),  description For Individual Addresses, each field seperated with a comma.  Adr (the exact text of Adr),  email address,  alias,  name,  on popup menu (this field is either a one (1) or a zero (0)),  company name,  job title,  home street address1,  home street address2,  home city,  home state,  home zip code,  home country,  home phone,  home phone extension,  home fax,  business street address1,  business street address2,  business city,  business state,  business zip code,  business country,  business phone,  business phone extension,  business fax,  notes Note: A field with a comma in the text must be wrapped in quotes. To include a quote symbol in a field, use a double quote ("") ----------------------------------------------------- - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Sat Apr 7 15:44:02 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Michael Gerdau) Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 16:44:02 +0200 Subject: [pmmail-list] Fwd: Re: PMMail has wrong time Message-ID: <14ltxf-1o3Qe0C@fmrl03.sul.t-online.com> >If the developers haven't patched up to the latest Service Pack (I >think it is SP4 for Visual Studio), they need to. It is SP5 for Visual Studio 6.0 for a couple of weeks now. Best, Michael -- Vote against SPAM - see http://www.politik-digital.de/spam/ Michael Gerdau email: mgd@technosis.de Linux: What Windows will NEVER BE! PGP-keys available on request or at public keyserver - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Sat Apr 7 15:53:56 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com) Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 14:53:56 +0000 Subject: [pmmail-list] PMMail/2... other issues Message-ID: <20010407145357.NUWI10838.mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> I should say wrt the SMTP problem above, I'm using PMMail/2 for OS/2 (I trust I'm on the right list). Two other issues: 1) I'm having a hard time getting batchfiles to run under MIME associations. I can't remember if I've ever gotten this working, but -- what I'd most like to do is use "antiword" to translate Word files into something else. I've got a batchfile called "antiword2.cmd" that contains the following: ANTIWORD.EXE -t %1 >F:\SOUTHSDE\ATTCH\e-z_word\stink.txt start/f e.exe F:\SOUTHSDE\ATTCH\e-z_word\stink.txt Under MIME associations in PMMail I've created one called "Word files." Under "Program to execute" is the fully qualified path/filename; under "Arguments" is %s. The "Working Directory" is the location of the batchfile; program type is OS/2 Window. Every time I double click on a *.doc attachment, I get a popup: Couldn't start external program. rc==191 Please check external program settings and try the operation again 2) The other is a scary reprise of an old PMMail/2 glitch. I was playing around (trying various ways of getting the antiword batchfile to work) and suddenly all the messages disappeared from my inbox folder -- and all the rest of them in the same account, too. I tried reindexing the folder, but still it came up empty. I quit PMMail immediately, and look at the directories via FC/2, and sure enough, there the messages were. This seems like some kind of horrible variant of the more traditional PMMail bug where hundreds of messages disappear but reappear on reindexing. But in this case, 1) the folder emptied totally, and 2) I had to restart before the reindexing worked. -Ray Tennenbaum - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Sat Apr 7 17:45:34 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Edward B. Germain) Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 12:45:34 -0400 Subject: [pmmail-list] hurry up, please, it's time Message-ID: <200104071740.f37Her303848@smtp.mcttelecom.com> Hi, Can anyone tell me why PMmail 2000 on a Windows 2000 platform says the time is exactly one hour behind? Right now my system clock says 1:45. PMmail is still at lunch: 12:45. ??? --Ed Germain - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Sat Apr 7 20:23:12 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Bruce Francis) Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 15:23:12 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [pmmail-list] hurry up, please, it's time In-Reply-To: <200104071740.f37Her303848@smtp.mcttelecom.com> Message-ID: <20010407192318.485F73258C@scribe.pobox.com> --_=_=_=IMA.BOUNDARY.GBFSIO138764=_=_=_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Sat, 07 Apr 2001 12:45:34 -0400, Edward B. Germain wrote: >Hi, > >Can anyone tell me why PMmail 2000 on a Windows 2000 platform says the >time is exactly one hour behind? Right now my system clock says 1:45. >PMmail is still at lunch: 12:45. > >??? Jimmy, Trevor: If one of the purposes of BSW having this "user-driven" forum is to offload you support guys, then great! BUT, could BSW please, please, pretty please take a bit of the "savings" and invest it in an "archive" function for this list ?? It would be *wonderful* if people could search thru the past discussions, even the dozen (2,3?) over the past week, and it would save us all (the questioners and the answerers) a lot of time. P_l_e_a_s_e ??? Lacking that, someone is going to have to author a "canned reply" -- (Edward, see "attached") --- Bruce Francis BFrancis@pobox.com For PGP Public key: email with Subject "BFrancis Public Key" ________________________________________________________ - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... 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I can't remember if >I've ever gotten this working, but -- what I'd >most like to do is use "antiword" to translate >Word files into something else. I've got a >batchfile called "antiword2.cmd" that contains the >following: Cmd files under OS2 are text-based files interpreted by the Rexx interpreter. Only binary application executables can be specified and run by MIME association. In your MIME association you can specify /antiword.exe/ but not a Rexx cmd file that calls it. > >ANTIWORD.EXE -t %1 >>F:\SOUTHSDE\ATTCH\e-z_word\stink.txt >start/f e.exe F:\SOUTHSDE\ATTCH\e-z_word\stink.txt > >Under MIME associations in PMMail I've created one >called "Word files." Under "Program to execute" >is the fully qualified path/filename; under >"Arguments" is %s. The "Working Directory" is the >location of the batchfile; program type is OS/2 >Window. You can only use MIME association if you provide the content-type contained in the message and the attachment file extension to associate with /antiword.exe/. > >Every time I double click on a *.doc attachment, I >get a popup: > >Couldn't start external program. > >rc==191 > >Please check external program settings and try the >operation again OS2 is telling you that /antiword.cmd/ is not a valid binary application executable. For your situation you can do one of the following: 1. You can change your MIME association to execute /antiword.exe/. This would require that you also provide the content-type contained in a message with a Word file attachment AND the file extension such as DOC. This, however may cause PMMail to launch /antiword.exe/ for an attachment that may not be a Word document. 2. Use PMMail's Rexx Receive Hook or User Rexx Hook to call your /antiword.cmd/ rexx file. A Rexx Receive Hook would call your rexx file for every message retrieved in a fetch cycle. This would slow down receipt of messages and your rexx file would need to factor in messages with no attachments or non-Word attachments. User Rexx Hook can be used in conjunction with either an Incoming or Manual filter. The filter would need to check something unique to messages containing Word file attachments. > > >2) The other is a scary reprise of an old PMMail/2 >glitch. > >I was playing around (trying various ways of >getting the antiword batchfile to work) and >suddenly all the messages disappeared from my >inbox folder -- and all the rest of them in the >same account, too. I tried reindexing the folder, >but still it came up empty. I quit PMMail >immediately, and look at the directories via FC/2, >and sure enough, there the messages were. If the actual message files exist then most likely the folder.ini or folder.bag file(s) have been corrupted. Close PMMail, try deleting the folder.bag file in the effected folder, restart PMMail and if necessary - reindex. -- JMO, /s/~Kris -------------------------------+------------------------------------------ - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Sun Apr 8 00:27:33 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (PMMail OS/2 Support) Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 20:27:33 -0300 Subject: [pmmail-list] hurry up, please, it's time In-Reply-To: <200104071740.f37Her303848@smtp.mcttelecom.com> Message-ID: <200104072338.f37Ncf218296@mailsrvc.hrz.uni-oldenburg.de> On Sat, 07 Apr 2001 12:45:34 -0400, Edward B. Germain wrote: >Can anyone tell me why PMmail 2000 on a Windows 2000 platform says the >time is exactly one hour behind? Right now my system clock says 1:45. >PMmail is still at lunch: 12:45. This is a bug that is being fixed now. -- Trevor Smith PMMail/2 Technical Support pmmailos2@blueprintsoftwareworks.com - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Sun Apr 8 13:56:04 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Bruce Francis) Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 08:56:04 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [pmmail-list] PMMail can't open a PMMail attachment? In-Reply-To: <200104080201.f3821V325464@smtp.mcttelecom.com> Message-ID: <20010408125607.C9FE53258D@scribe.pobox.com> Hi Edward, On Sat, 07 Apr 2001 21:06:14 -0400, Edward B. Germain wrote: >(Strangely, I couldn't open your attachment in PMmail. I switched its >association to Outlook, which couldn't open it either. I finally saved >it and read it with List, an old dos program I sometimes rely on.). This is odd -- I simply drag/drop the message that I attached into the attachment area of the "New Message" window when I was writing the reply. I don't understand why you couldn't just open the attachment, so I'm sending a copy of this back to the list hoping that tech support or someone more knowledgeable than I am can tell me why PMMail couldn't open an attachment created by PMMail.... >Archives is a really sensible idea. Sure would save everyone a lot of time.... --- Bruce Francis BFrancis@pobox.com For PGP Public key: email with Subject "BFrancis Public Key" ________________________________________________________ - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Sun Apr 8 14:52:27 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Randy Fowler (personal acct)) Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 09:52:27 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [pmmail-list] PMMail/2 can't read msg from OE Message-ID: <04abd2949130841FE8@mail8.sc.rr.com> Hello All, I just received a msg generated by MS Outlook Express that PMMail/2 apparantly can't read?? PMMail/2 only shows this single line in the msg viewer: Peace Of Mind For Stucco Homeowners, The stucco warranty I found and examined the actual file PMMail uses to store this msg, and found it contains HTML text. In other msgs, the HTML is included as an attament that I can view in my browser using the RMB. Is there a way to get PMMail to launch this msg in my web browser like I can with a regular HTML attachment?? Here's the msg, which I cut and pasted from the PMMail file: Thanks, Randy ------------------ Start of Raw Msg ----------------------- Received: from mail1.lig.bellsouth.net ([207.203.120.40]) by prserv.net (in1) with ESMTP id <2001040320562710102hji97e>; Tue, 3 Apr 2001 20:56:28 +0000 Received: from ks (adsl-78-148-13.cae.bellsouth.net [216.78.148.13]) by mail1.lig.bellsouth.net (3.3.5alt/0.75.2) with SMTP id RAA08284; Tue, 3 Apr 2001 17:01:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000401c0bc80$550faba0$0a01a8c0@ks> Reply-To: "Kelley Shull" From: "Kelley Shull" To: "Mary Ross Terry" , "Chad Poteat" , "John McCants" , "Michal Cooper Jones" , "Dave Howser" , "Randy Fowler" , Subject: Peace Of Mind For Stucco Homeowners, The stucco warranty Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 16:54:50 -0400 Organization: Howser & Newman MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01C0BC5E.CC313AE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C0BC5E.CC313AE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Peace Of Mind For Stucco Homeowners, The stucco warranty ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C0BC5E.CC313AE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =0A= Peace Of Mind For Stucco Homeowners, The stucco warranty <body> <p>This page uses frames, but your browser doesn't support them.</p> </body> ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C0BC5E.CC313AE0-- ------------------ End of Raw Msg ----------------------- - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Sun Apr 8 15:32:06 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Menno Tillema) Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 16:32:06 +0200 (CDT) Subject: [pmmail-list] PMMail/2 can't read msg from OE In-Reply-To: <04abd2949130841FE8@mail8.sc.rr.com> Message-ID: <200104081615.f38GFUo22058@hgatenl.hobby.nl> On Sun, 08 Apr 2001 09:52:27 -0400 (EDT), Randy Fowler (personal acct) wrote: > Is there a way to get > PMMail to launch this msg in my web browser like I can with a regular HTML > attachment?? I used "Window->View message in webbrowser" and it worked. -- Tot mails, Menno Tillema Kijk ook eens op http://www.heemschut.nl - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Sun Apr 8 16:14:55 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com) Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 15:14:55 +0000 Subject: [pmmail-list] Digest (04/08/2001 09:01) (#2001-165) Message-ID: <20010408151455.ESFN21907.mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> > Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 09:58:13 -0400 (EDT) > From: "Gregory L. Marx" > Subject: Re: [pmmail-list] SMTP authentication > > On Sat, 07 Apr 2001 12:25:16 +0000, raphaelt@att.net wrote: > > With my DSL setup and running PMMail on both OS2 and Windows 2000 I had to make > sure I used the "real" email address I was assigned by > Verizon when I initially setup my DSL account ... and not use the alias I was > also given ... > > Once I did that sending and receiving runs just fine ... > > Hope this helps ... > Greg > > > Well -- thanks for trying! But the settings are exactly those that I've been using successfully for Netscape's emailer, down to the "real" email address (DSLAAA@DSL1004 or something). It's baffling. - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Sun Apr 8 16:33:06 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com) Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 15:33:06 +0000 Subject: [pmmail-list] PMMail/2... other issues Message-ID: <20010408153306.BDLE21045.mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> > Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 14:31:41 -0700 (PDT) > From: "Kris Sorem Sr" > Subject: ~Re: PMMail/2... other issues > > On Sat, 07 Apr 2001 14:53:56 +0000, raphaelt@att.net wrote: > > >1) I'm having a hard time getting batchfiles to > >run under MIME associations. I can't remember if > >I've ever gotten this working, but -- what I'd > >most like to do is use "antiword" to translate > >Word files into something else. I've got a > >batchfile called "antiword2.cmd" that contains the > >following: > > Cmd files under OS2 are text-based files interpreted by the Rexx > interpreter. Only binary application executables can be specified and run > by MIME association. In your MIME association you can specify > /antiword.exe/ but not a Rexx cmd file that calls it. > > Actually I think .cmd files must call Rexx, and if they don't they're simply OS/2 batchfiles, but yes, I see what you're saying. Having antiword.exe as the program to be called avails me naught since it outputs to stdout. I would like to call antiword.exe and set the "parameters" at least to pipe the output to another file: %s>stink.txt but this doesn't work. I wish this weren't so difficult, but as yet I can't find an elegant kludge. And using a Rexx filter on all my incoming mail for every one in a hundred which contains a Word file isn't really sensible, of course -- especially since I don't really wish the procedure to work automatically, but instead simply on an as-needed basis. Obviously I can simply unattach each file manually and then do the antiword thing, as I've been doing... it's not such a big deal, but it seems silly that I can't have a batchfile function as an executable would. ... > If the actual message files exist then most likely the folder.ini or > folder.bag file(s) have been corrupted. Close PMMail, try deleting the > folder.bag file in the effected folder, restart PMMail and if necessary - > reindex. Yes, I know this is the workaround, and I've been using it for four or five years now. I was actually reporting it as a bug in case it hadn't been reported already. - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Sun Apr 8 16:55:47 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Paul Ratcliffe) Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 16:55:47 +0100 (BST) Subject: [pmmail-list] PMMail/2 can't read msg from OE In-Reply-To: <04abd2949130841FE8@mail8.sc.rr.com> Message-ID: <200104081555.QAA023.36@mail.pr.network> On Sun, 08 Apr 2001 09:52:27 -0400 (EDT), Randy Fowler (personal acct) wrote: >I just received a msg generated by MS Outlook Express that PMMail/2 >apparantly can't read?? PMMail/2 only shows this single line in the msg >viewer: > >Peace Of Mind For Stucco Homeowners, The stucco warranty Why do you want to read it? It's just flippin' spam. Put it in the bin. >attament that I can view in my browser using the RMB. Is there a way to get >PMMail to launch this msg in my web browser like I can with a regular HTML >attachment?? Window, View Message in Web Browser on the menu. >Here's the msg, which I cut and pasted from the PMMail file: Er, thanks, not. - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Sun Apr 8 16:58:27 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Paul Ratcliffe) Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 16:58:27 +0100 (BST) Subject: [pmmail-list] PMMail/2... other issues In-Reply-To: <20010408153306.BDLE21045.mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: <200104081558.QAA023.40@mail.pr.network> On Sun, 08 Apr 2001 15:33:06 +0000, raphaelt@att.net wrote: >Having antiword.exe as the program to be called >avails me naught since it outputs to stdout. I >would like to call antiword.exe and set the >"parameters" at least to pipe the output to >another file: > >%s>stink.txt > >but this doesn't work. Not surprising. The redirection commands are a function of CMD.EXE, so why don't you start that instead with the appropriate parameters e.g. cmd.exe /c antiword %s >stink.txt - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Sun Apr 8 17:39:14 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (PMMail OS/2 Support) Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 13:39:14 -0300 Subject: [pmmail-list] PMMail/2... other issues In-Reply-To: <20010408153306.BDLE21045.mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: <200104081652.f38Gqm202994@mailsrvc.hrz.uni-oldenburg.de> On Sun, 08 Apr 2001 15:33:06 +0000, raphaelt@att.net wrote: >I wish this weren't so difficult, but as yet I >can't find an elegant kludge. And using a Rexx >filter on all my incoming mail for every one in a >hundred which contains a Word file isn't really >sensible, of course -- especially since I don't >really wish the procedure to work automatically, >but instead simply on an as-needed basis. Then a rexx filter probably is the best solution. Create a filter to call your rexx script and make it "manual". Then apply it as needed. (Right-click on the message, select "Apply manual filters" etc. -- Trevor Smith PMMail/2 Technical Support pmmailos2@blueprintsoftwareworks.com - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Sun Apr 8 18:51:54 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com) Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 17:51:54 +0000 Subject: [pmmail-list] PMMail/2... other issues (Word files) Message-ID: <20010408175155.BQWQ3612.mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> I've been trying out a word-to-html conversion program from the Russian Team OS/2 folks (at Hobbes under wvhtml_0.6.0.1.zip). It has a PM interface version, which works quite well on its own, definitely worth looking at. It doesn't work so well as a MIME association under PMMail. For some reason, it produces an empty (zero-length) file running as a MIME associated-program. I've tried every reasonable "working directory" entry (the various subdirectories of PMMail, including PMMAIL\TEMP; ".." and "."; the directory where wvPM.exe is located -- but each time, it simply produces a 0-sized file, located in the directory pointed to by the SET TEMP= variable in my config.sys. However, when I simply use the mouse-button popup to save the document, and then run the wvPM.exe to open the Word file and convert it to HTML, it works peachy. Does anyone have any suggestions? If folks get it working, please let me know how!! - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Sun Apr 8 18:54:34 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com) Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 17:54:34 +0000 Subject: [pmmail-list] Backing out? Message-ID: <20010408175435.VNII21649.mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> I'm not really thrilled with how PMMail/2 2.20.2200 is working for me -- apart from the problems I'm having trying to get SMTP authentication working, some strange things are happening with word wrap -- which I think may be related to the fact that under the Send page of the Account Settings page, the number ticker under the Wrap Messages radio button is empty, and won't retain a value if set manually. At any rate, if I want to revert to the last version I was using, is there any chance I can just re-copy in pmmail.exe pmmail.hlp nowarp.dll pmmsend.exe warp.dll and be done? - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Sun Apr 8 19:03:39 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Randy Fowler (personal acct)) Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 14:03:39 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [pmmail-list] PMMail/2 can't read msg from OE In-Reply-To: <200104081615.f38GFUo22058@hgatenl.hobby.nl> Message-ID: <0acf44200180841FE8@mail8.sc.rr.com> On Sun, 08 Apr 2001 16:32:06 +0200 (CDT), Menno Tillema wrote: >I used "Window->View message in webbrowser" and it worked. Hi Menno, Thanks, that worked well! Hmmm, the header shows: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01C0BC5E.CC313AE0" So why doesn't it show up as an attachment or something?? Since this HTML code isn't showing up as an attachment, I wish PMMail would at least put a small indicator in the viewer window to alert me to the fact that it's there, so I'll know to View it in the Web Browser... Randy - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Sun Apr 8 19:10:44 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Jonathan Seder) Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 11:10:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [pmmail-list] Rexx or batch files for MIME associations with CMD.EXE (was "... other issues") In-Reply-To: <200104072142.OAA16098@home.humboldt1.com> Message-ID: <200104081811.LAA24432@vmx02.brainstorm.net> >>... I've got a batchfile called "antiword2.cmd" that contains the following: >... >Cmd files under OS2 are text-based files interpreted by the Rexx >interpreter. Only binary application executables can be specified and run >by MIME association. In your MIME association you can specify >/antiword.exe/ but not a Rexx cmd file that calls it. Not exactly. You can attach a Rexx (or batch) command file (such as c:\tools\mycmd.cmd) to a MIME association with the following: Program To Execute: cmd.exe Arguments: /C c:\tools\mycmd.cmd %s %s will get the name of the attachment, unquoted, "as is". Type "help cmd.exe" to learn more. - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Sun Apr 8 22:05:26 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (PMMail OS/2 Support) Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 18:05:26 -0300 Subject: [pmmail-list] Backing out? In-Reply-To: <20010408175435.VNII21649.mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: <200104082107.f38L7e211544@mailsrvc.hrz.uni-oldenburg.de> On Sun, 08 Apr 2001 17:54:34 +0000, raphaelt@att.net wrote: >I'm not really thrilled with how PMMail/2 >2.20.2200 is working for me -- apart from the >problems I'm having trying to get SMTP >authentication working, some strange things are >happening with word wrap -- which I think may be >related to the fact that under the Send page of >the Account Settings page, the number ticker under >the Wrap Messages radio button is empty, and won't >retain a value if set manually. > >At any rate, if I want to revert to the last >version I was using, is there any chance I can Just download the last version you were using and reinstall it over top 2.20.2200. -- Trevor Smith PMMail/2 Technical Support pmmailos2@blueprintsoftwareworks.com - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Sun Apr 8 22:06:00 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (PMMail OS/2 Support) Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 18:06:00 -0300 Subject: [pmmail-list] PMMail/2 can't read msg from OE In-Reply-To: <0acf44200180841FE8@mail8.sc.rr.com> Message-ID: <200104082108.f38L8a211563@mailsrvc.hrz.uni-oldenburg.de> On Sun, 08 Apr 2001 14:03:39 -0400 (EDT), Randy Fowler (personal acct) wrote: >So why doesn't it show up as an attachment or something?? > >Since this HTML code isn't showing up as an attachment, I wish PMMail would >at least put a small indicator in the viewer window to alert me to the fact >that it's there, so I'll know to View it in the Web Browser... There are some issues with PMMail's multipart handling that we are working on. -- Trevor Smith PMMail/2 Technical Support pmmailos2@blueprintsoftwareworks.com - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Sun Apr 8 23:21:14 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Perry Werneck) Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 19:21:14 -0300 (EST) Subject: [pmmail-list] PMMail/2... other issues In-Reply-To: <20010407145357.NUWI10838.mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: <200104082221.f38MLGE21709@srv7-bra.bra.terra.com.br> On Sat, 07 Apr 2001 14:53:56 +0000, raphaelt@att.net wrote: Hi, >Couldn't start external program. >rc==191 [w:\temp]help sys0191 SYS0191: *** cannot be run in an OS/2 session. EXPLANATION: The specified file or program is either a DOS application program or not compatible with OS/2. ACTION: If the specified application is a DOS program, switch to a DOS session and retry the command. Otherwise, reinstall the application and retry the command. If the error occurs again, contact the supplier of the application program. Try using the line below: x:\os2\cmd.exe /c antiword2.cmd It probably will works. --- Perry Werneck - ICQ #27241234 /"\ \ / Campanha da Fita ASCII - Diga NAO ao HTML em emails X ASCII Ribbon Campaign - Say NO to HTML in email / \ - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Mon Apr 9 00:04:36 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Randy Fowler (personal acct)) Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 19:04:36 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [pmmail-list] PMMail/2 can't read msg from OE In-Reply-To: <200104081555.QAA023.36@mail.pr.network> Message-ID: <079513701230841FE8@mail8.sc.rr.com> On Sun, 08 Apr 2001 16:55:47 +0100 (BST), Paul Ratcliffe wrote: >Why do you want to read it? It's just flippin' spam. Put it in the bin. Hi Paul, Yes, it looks like spam, but... actually it's info from my sister-in-law who's an attorney handling Stucco litigation here in Columbia. I just went through two a$$ chapping years of Bu!!$hit with my synthetic Stucco home and the warranty may assist when we sell. As for what she's using... I've tried to convert her over, but the evil empire has a firm grip and she insists on using their "stuff". I guess I wrongfully chastised her the other day for sending me what I thought was proprietary borg code. Hmmm, I just remembered when my wife tried to view that msg with Netscape 4.72/Win98se, she got "This page uses frames, but your browser doesn't support them." So Netscape is going to frontpage 4.0's generated /noframes section?? Randy - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Mon Apr 9 07:06:31 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Kris Sorem Sr) Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 23:06:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [pmmail-list] ~Re: Rexx or batch files for MIME associations with CMD.EXE (was "... other issues") In-Reply-To: <200104081811.LAA24432@vmx02.brainstorm.net> Message-ID: <200104100228.TAA04209@home.humboldt1.com> On Sun, 08 Apr 2001 11:10:44 -0700 (PDT), Jonathan Seder wrote: > >>... I've got a batchfile called "antiword2.cmd" that contains the following: > >... > >Cmd files under OS2 are text-based files interpreted by the Rexx > >interpreter. Only binary application executables can be specified and run > >by MIME association. In your MIME association you can specify > >/antiword.exe/ but not a Rexx cmd file that calls it. > >Not exactly. > >You can attach a Rexx (or batch) command file (such as c:\tools\mycmd.cmd) to a MIME association with the following: > Program To Execute: cmd.exe > Arguments: /C c:\tools\mycmd.cmd %s >%s will get the name of the attachment, unquoted, "as is". How does this change what I said? CMD.EXE /is/ a binary application executable. Only programs of this type can be specified in the /Program To Execute/ part of a MIME association. I did not say that a batch/rexx file *could not* be used in a MIME association as a parameter. This may work because (and only because) CMD.EXE accepts a batch file as a parameter. -- JMO, /s/~Kris -------------------------------+------------------------------------------ - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Mon Apr 9 23:30:24 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Randy Fowler (personal acct)) Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 18:30:24 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [pmmail-list] Export address book woes In-Reply-To: <0497b4735140741FE8@mail8.sc.rr.com> Message-ID: <200104092231.SAA07303@hawaii.conterra.com> Hi Everyone, Never mind! I found the answers by reading through my archived messages from this list. Suggestion: I haven't been on this list for very long, so it would really be nice to have a feature on BluePrint's web site that would search past messages. Regards, Randy On Sat, 07 Apr 2001 10:38:44 -0400 (EDT), Randy Fowler (personal acct) wrote: >In my address book manager, I have many seperate address >books. I'd like to export the email addresses contained in >just a few of these to share with associates, but not all of >them! > >Problem is, the export tool apparantly exports *every* email >address contained in the entire address book manager, sorted by >creation date. This would be OK if each individual addr book >name were included in a field of each record but it's not. > >Any work around for this problem, other than manually editing >the resulting Export file? > >Thanks, Randy > > > >------- Sample lines from the output of Export tool ------- > >Adr,"support@travelclick.net","TravelCLICK Support","TravelCLICK Support",1,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, >Adr,"BStJohn@Serenity-Systems.com","Bob St.John","Bob St.John",1,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, >Grp,"Mintha Linn;Lisa Holley;English Nagy;Robbie Randolf","RIC Sales Staff","RIC Sales Staff",1, > > > >---------- Online Help from PMMail/2 2.10.1999 ------------ > > The format for the Imported/Exported Comma > seperated file in the Address book is as follows. > There is one address book entry per line in the file. > > For Address Groups the format is as follows with > each field seperated with a comma. > >  Grp (the exact text of Grp), >  email addresses (each address should be > seperated by a semicolon (;)), >  alias, >  group name, >  on popup menu (this field is either a one (1) or > a zero (0)), >  description > > > For Individual Addresses, each field seperated with a > comma. > >  Adr (the exact text of Adr), >  email address, >  alias, >  name, >  on popup menu (this field is either a one (1) or > a zero (0)), >  company name, >  job title, >  home street address1, >  home street address2, >  home city, >  home state, >  home zip code, >  home country, >  home phone, >  home phone extension, >  home fax, >  business street address1, >  business street address2, >  business city, >  business state, >  business zip code, >  business country, >  business phone, >  business phone extension, >  business fax, >  notes > > > Note: A field with a comma in the text must be > wrapped in quotes. To include a quote symbol in a > field, use a double quote ("") > >----------------------------------------------------- > >- pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- >To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first >line of the message body being... >UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com > > > - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Mon Apr 9 23:51:37 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Bruce Francis) Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 18:51:37 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [pmmail-list] Export address book woes In-Reply-To: <200104092231.SAA07303@hawaii.conterra.com> Message-ID: <20010409225138.2B96532585@scribe.pobox.com> On Mon, 09 Apr 2001 18:30:24 -0400 (EDT), Randy Fowler (personal acct) wrote: >Suggestion: I haven't been on this list for very long, so it would really be >nice to have a feature on BluePrint's web site that would search past messages. Yes, wouldn't it !!! - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Mon Apr 9 23:56:38 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Gene Gough) Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 18:56:38 -0400 Subject: [pmmail-list] Export address book woes In-Reply-To: <20010409225138.2B96532585@scribe.pobox.com> Message-ID: <200104092256.SAA08665@granger.mail.mindspring.net> Yes, it sure would! On Mon, 09 Apr 2001 18:51:37 -0400 (EDT), Bruce Francis wrote: =>On Mon, 09 Apr 2001 18:30:24 -0400 (EDT), Randy Fowler (personal acct) wrote: => =>>Suggestion: I haven't been on this list for very long, so it would really be =>>nice to have a feature on BluePrint's web site that would search past messages. => =>Yes, wouldn't it !!! => =>- pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- =>To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first =>line of the message body being... =>UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com => => => Gene Gough IBM - Retired Marietta, GA Gough Family Page : http://www.goughfamily.com/home/albums.htm Gough History : http://www.goughfamily.com/familytree/goughtree.html Professional Page : http://www.goughfamily.com/resume/software_expert.html - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Tue Apr 10 22:40:00 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Kenneth Porter) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 14:40:00 -0700 Subject: [pmmail-list] "Gulp" size Message-ID: <200104102141.OAA08329@mail.well.com> When tranferring lots of mail on a slow connection, it would be desirable to do the retrieval in small "gulps" so that dropping the connection doesn't cause mail to get stuck on the server. For example, I just reconnected after a week offline over a slow link while subscribed to several busy mailing lists, and found over 1000 messages to be transferred over a 30 kbps connection. In this situation I'd like to be able to transfer about 20-50 messages per server connection. BTW, does the connection interval timer start when a connection is made or when it's disconnected? Ie. if I set my check interval to 10 minutes and it takes 5 minutes to transfer, will the next check be 10 minutes after that, for a total of 15 minutes? Or 5 minutes later? If the latter, this interval could be used to control how often to disconnect and reconnect to purge messages transferred so far. Ken mailto:shiva@well.com http://www.sewingwitch.com/ken/ [If answering a mailing list posting, please don't cc me your reply. I'll take my answer on the list.] - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Tue Apr 10 22:47:36 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Bruce Francis) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 17:47:36 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [pmmail-list] PMMail can't open a PMMail attachment? In-Reply-To: <20010408125607.C9FE53258D@scribe.pobox.com> Message-ID: <20010410214738.C51F53259D@scribe.pobox.com> Anyone figure this one out?? .... On Sun, 08 Apr 2001 08:56:04 -0400 (EDT), Bruce Francis wrote: >>(Strangely, I couldn't open your attachment in PMmail. I switched its >>association to Outlook, which couldn't open it either. I finally saved >>it and read it with List, an old dos program I sometimes rely on.). > >This is odd -- I simply drag/drop the message that I attached into >the attachment area of the "New Message" window when I was writing >the reply. I don't understand why you couldn't just open the attachment, >so I'm sending a copy of this back to the list hoping that tech support >or someone more knowledgeable than I am can tell me why PMMail >couldn't open an attachment created by PMMail.... - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Tue Apr 10 22:57:11 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (PMMail OS/2 Support) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 18:57:11 -0300 Subject: [pmmail-list] "Gulp" size In-Reply-To: <200104102141.OAA08329@mail.well.com> Message-ID: <200104102201.f3AM1b204060@mailsrvc.hrz.uni-oldenburg.de> On Tue, 10 Apr 2001 14:40:00 -0700, Kenneth Porter wrote: >For example, I just reconnected after a week offline over a slow link >while subscribed to several busy mailing lists, and found over 1000 >messages to be transferred over a 30 kbps connection. In this situation >I'd like to be able to transfer about 20-50 messages per server >connection. You can use the Remote Control window to do this. Account Control -- Trevor Smith PMMail/2 Technical Support pmmailos2@blueprintsoftwareworks.com - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Tue Apr 10 22:58:10 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (PMMail OS/2 Support) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 18:58:10 -0300 Subject: [pmmail-list] "Gulp" size Message-ID: <200104102202.f3AM2M204079@mailsrvc.hrz.uni-oldenburg.de> On Tue, 10 Apr 2001 18:57:11 -0300, PMMail OS/2 Support wrote: >On Tue, 10 Apr 2001 14:40:00 -0700, Kenneth Porter wrote: > >>For example, I just reconnected after a week offline over a slow link >>while subscribed to several busy mailing lists, and found over 1000 >>messages to be transferred over a 30 kbps connection. In this situation >>I'd like to be able to transfer about 20-50 messages per server >>connection. > >You can use the Remote Control window to do this. Account Control Sigh. I hit "change all" instead of "ignore all" when sending that. Should have written "Account->Remote Control" -- Trevor Smith PMMail/2 Technical Support pmmailos2@blueprintsoftwareworks.com - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Wed Apr 11 14:46:02 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Gene Gough) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 09:46:02 -0400 Subject: [pmmail-list] "Gulp" size In-Reply-To: <200104101801.td70m1.d46.37kbi1v@osgood.mail.mindspring.net> Message-ID: <200104111346.JAA05293@tisch.mail.mindspring.net> I suggested some time ago that the remote control have the ability to refresh using the same timing mechanism that is used for normal fetch. Is this in the "plan"? On Tue, 10 Apr 2001 18:57:11 -0300, PMMail OS/2 Support wrote: =>On Tue, 10 Apr 2001 14:40:00 -0700, Kenneth Porter wrote: => =>>For example, I just reconnected after a week offline over a slow link =>>while subscribed to several busy mailing lists, and found over 1000 =>>messages to be transferred over a 30 kbps connection. In this situation =>>I'd like to be able to transfer about 20-50 messages per server =>>connection. => =>You can use the Remote Control window to do this. Account Control => => =>-- =>Trevor Smith =>PMMail/2 Technical Support =>pmmailos2@blueprintsoftwareworks.com => =>- pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- =>To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first =>line of the message body being... =>UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com => => => Gene Gough IBM - Retired Marietta, GA Gough Family Page : http://www.goughfamily.com/home/albums.htm Gough History : http://www.goughfamily.com/familytree/goughtree.html Professional Page : http://www.goughfamily.com/resume/software_expert.html - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Wed Apr 11 17:06:35 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (PMMail OS/2 Support) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 13:06:35 -0300 Subject: [pmmail-list] "Gulp" size In-Reply-To: <200104111346.JAA05293@tisch.mail.mindspring.net> Message-ID: <200104111620.f3BGK7229374@mailsrvc.hrz.uni-oldenburg.de> On Wed, 11 Apr 2001 09:46:02 -0400, Gene Gough wrote: >I suggested some time ago that the remote control have the ability to refresh using the same timing >mechanism that is used for normal fetch. Is this in the "plan"? Not that I know of (meaning I haven't been told that it is). -- Trevor Smith PMMail/2 Technical Support pmmailos2@blueprintsoftwareworks.com - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Wed Apr 11 20:09:38 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Dr Graham Norton FRACP Neurologist) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 06:09:38 +1100 (EDT) Subject: [pmmail-list] Archiving In-Reply-To: <200104102203.f3AM3C011909@pluto.senet.com.au> Message-ID: <200104112141.f3BLfLO10562@pluto.senet.com.au> Hello hope I have not missed any such thread... is it planned that there will be the ability to 'internally' archive email? I know I can do it using a zip programme, it would be nice to be able to do this from within PMMAil. Graham Norton Neurologist "when I need a hole in the head, I use Windows when I need a window on the brain, I use OS2!" - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Thu Apr 12 04:26:33 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Jonathan Seder) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 20:26:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [pmmail-list] "At Send, Reflow To" In-Reply-To: <200104102202.PAA19643@vmx02.brainstorm.net> Message-ID: <200104120327.UAA26847@vmx02.brainstorm.net> This is about the "Account Settings" / Send / "At Send, Reflow Messages To" spinbox. I previously suggested that the maximum value for this field be increased from 1000 to 64K or larger, so that we could have nicely wrapped editing, and our messages would wrap to fit the recipient's window. Also, I suggest that a textfield would be more appropriate for this than a spinbox. It appears that in 2.20.2100 this control no longer works. The spinbox is dead; any value can be entered; no value is refreshed when the dialog is opened; and the value used at send time seems to be the number (1000, the old maximum) entered with the last release. - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Thu Apr 12 11:01:21 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Steve Wendt) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 03:01:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [pmmail-list] "At Send, Reflow To" In-Reply-To: <200104120327.UAA26847@vmx02.brainstorm.net> Message-ID: <200104121001.f3CA1bg00473@fingers.shocking.com> On Wed, 11 Apr 2001 20:26:33 -0700 (PDT), Jonathan Seder wrote: >I previously suggested that the maximum value for this field be increased from 1000 to 64K or larger, so that we could have nicely wrapped editing, and our messages would wrap to fit the recipient's window. Also, I suggest that a textfield would be more appropriate for this than a spinbox. As you can see, that really screws up quoting... although a feature to automatically reflow quotes would be nice too. ----------- "Good people do not need laws to tell them to act responsibly, while bad people will find a way around the laws." - Plato (427-347 B.C.) - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Thu Apr 12 12:49:44 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Roger F. Borrello, Jr.) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 07:49:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [pmmail-list] "At Send, Reflow To" In-Reply-To: <200104121001.f3CA1bg00473@fingers.shocking.com> Message-ID: <20010412064418-48032-7@emlsrv01.internal.goldencode.com> On Thu, 12 Apr 2001 03:01:21 -0700 (PDT), Steve Wendt wrote: >On Wed, 11 Apr 2001 20:26:33 -0700 (PDT), Jonathan Seder wrote: > >>I previously suggested that the maximum value for this field be increased from >1000 to 64K or larger, so that we could have nicely wrapped editing, and our >messages would wrap to fit the recipient's window. Also, I suggest that a textfield >would be more appropriate for this than a spinbox. > >As you can see, that really screws up quoting... although a feature to automatically >reflow quotes would be nice too. Of course if you could put quote marks (of your choice, of course) just a the top and bottom, that wouldn't be a problem either. - rb - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Thu Apr 12 15:05:10 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Lueko Willms) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 16:05:10 +0200 (MES) Subject: [pmmail-list] Auto remove from trash In-Reply-To: <200103251827.KAA17382@albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <14nhjM-1A1RCqC@fwd05.sul.t-online.com> Inspired by the discussion about removing items from the trash based on their age without shutting down PMMail, I have written a REXX script which should do that. It works fine when started as an independent program, but not so well when started from a manual filter, as the program was designed to, since PMMail keeps the index of the trash folder in memory and the change to the FOLDER.BAG of the TRASH.FLD is not reflected before the program is being shut down. Anyway, I have made the script available for anyone who is curious about accessing the FOLDER.BAG index file. You can find the script at my private website, at home.t-online.de/~Lueko.Willms/Programme/Dateien/pmtrash.cmd Attention: for all items after my name, case is important. Yours, Lüko Willms Frankfurt/Main / Lueko.Willms@T-Online.de - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Fri Apr 13 00:57:41 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Kenneth Porter) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 16:57:41 -0700 Subject: [pmmail-list] "Gulp" size In-Reply-To: <200104102202.PAA29498@smtp.well.com> Message-ID: <200104122357.QAA24014@mail.well.com> On Tue, 10 Apr 2001 18:57:11 -0300, PMMail OS/2 Support wrote: >>For example, I just reconnected after a week offline over a slow link >>while subscribed to several busy mailing lists, and found over 1000 >>messages to be transferred over a 30 kbps connection. In this situation >>I'd like to be able to transfer about 20-50 messages per server >>connection. > >You can use the Remote Control window to do this. But I still have to manually initiate each "gulp" by selecting a block for transfer and then hitting transfer. (In fact, that's just what I had to do. Had to keep checking back every few minutes to see if it was done with a gulp, to start the next one.) It would be nice if this was automated. Setting the gulp size by time rather than count would be fine. This would also catch a hung connection. If too much time elapses without any bytes flowing, the connection should be dropped and restarted. Ken mailto:shiva@well.com http://www.sewingwitch.com/ken/ [If answering a mailing list posting, please don't cc me your reply. I'll take my answer on the list.] - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Fri Apr 13 01:04:39 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (PMMail OS/2 Support) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 21:04:39 -0300 Subject: [pmmail-list] "At Send, Reflow To" In-Reply-To: <200104120327.UAA26847@vmx02.brainstorm.net> Message-ID: <200104130013.f3D0Di221134@mailsrvc.hrz.uni-oldenburg.de> On Wed, 11 Apr 2001 20:26:33 -0700 (PDT), Jonathan Seder wrote: >It appears that in 2.20.2100 this control no longer works. The spinbox is dead; any value can be entered; no value is refreshed when the dialog is opened; and the value used at send time seems to be the number (1000, the old maximum) entered with the last release. This is a known bug and will be fixed in the next release. -- Trevor Smith PMMail/2 Technical Support pmmailos2@blueprintsoftwareworks.com - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Sat Apr 14 12:14:34 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Jim Reisert AD1C) Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 07:14:34 -0400 Subject: [pmmail-list] Multiple accounts - doesn't play sound file after POP download Message-ID: <200104141114.f3EBEY623332@chmls20.mediaone.net> When I had only one POP account set up, PMMail would download my messages and play the sound file pmmail.wav. Now I have multiple POP accounts. When PMMail is done, it plays the system beep (PC internal speaker) instead of the sound file. The preference for BOTH accounts is to play the pmmail.wav sound file, not the system beep. Is this a bug? I'm running 3rd beta, 2.20.2300, but the problem also occurs in the 2nd beta, 2.20.2200 - Jim -- Jim Reisert AD1C, 7 Charlemont Court, North Chelmsford, MA 01863 USA +978-251-9933, , http://www.ad1c.com - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Wed Apr 18 18:31:31 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (PMMail OS/2 Support) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 14:31:31 -0300 Subject: [pmmail-list] Testing In-Reply-To: <200103270314.TAA16132@mail.well.com> Message-ID: <200104181734.f3IHY3208338@mailsrvc.hrz.uni-oldenburg.de> Things have been quiet, just making sure we're still live. -- Trevor Smith PMMail/2 Technical Support pmmailos2@blueprintsoftwareworks.com - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Wed Apr 18 19:08:36 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Ralph Cohen) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 14:08:36 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [pmmail-list] Testing Message-ID: <20010418180848.YYGX20722.femail15.sdc1.sfba.home.com@CC892959-A> On Wed, 18 Apr 2001 14:31:31 -0300, PMMail OS/2 Support wrote: >Things have been quiet, just making sure we're still live. I was pretty sure the list was down too when I read about new PMMail beta drops on 4/13 in a VOICENews announcement but there was no mention of it here. From the lack of any comments here, I think I must be the only person who was even aware of their existence. Perhaps announcements could be made on this list also in the future. Ralph rpcohen@neurotron.com - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Wed Apr 18 19:16:17 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Todd Weis) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 13:16:17 -0500 Subject: [pmmail-list] Testing Message-ID: <200104181827.f3IIR6210153@mailsrvc.hrz.uni-oldenburg.de> Must mean you did an excellent job and everyone is happy?! ;-) Keep up the good work! -Todd On Wed, 18 Apr 2001 14:31:31 -0300, PMMail OS/2 Support wrote: >Things have been quiet, just making sure we're still live. > > >-- >Trevor Smith >PMMail/2 Technical Support >pmmailos2@blueprintsoftwareworks.com > >- pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- >To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first >line of the message body being... >UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Wed Apr 18 19:20:28 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Jose Hissa Ferreira) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 15:20:28 -0300 Subject: [pmmail-list] missing pmmail.wav References: <200104181729.OAA02998@csa.funrei.br> Message-ID: <003201c0c834$54522ca0$5c01000a@cpdee.ufmg.br> > Things have been quiet, just making sure we're still live. Well, I can cooperate with a running ;-) The "pmmail.wav" file was mentioned last week, but it is missing here. Where can I download it? Greetings, JHissa - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Wed Apr 18 19:20:45 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Bruce Francis) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 14:20:45 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [pmmail-list] Testing In-Reply-To: <20010418180848.YYGX20722.femail15.sdc1.sfba.home.com@CC892959-A> Message-ID: <20010418182040.DED0432596@scribe.pobox.com> On Wed, 18 Apr 2001 14:08:36 -0400 (EDT), Ralph Cohen wrote: >of it here. From the lack of any comments here, I think I must be the >only person who was even aware of their existence. Perhaps >announcements could be made on this list also in the future. Would seem like _here_ would be the _first_ place to look, not on the eCS new-announcements list .... - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Wed Apr 18 19:33:46 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Warner Young) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 11:33:46 -0700 Subject: [pmmail-list] Testing In-Reply-To: <20010418180848.YYGX20722.femail15.sdc1.sfba.home.com@CC892959-A> Message-ID: <200104181835.f3IIZY210433@mailsrvc.hrz.uni-oldenburg.de> On Wed, 18 Apr 2001 14:08:36 -0400 (EDT), Ralph Cohen wrote: >I was pretty sure the list was down too when I read about new PMMail >beta drops on 4/13 in a VOICENews announcement but there was no mention >of it here. From the lack of any comments here, I think I must be the >only person who was even aware of their existence. Nope, I noticed the new beta last night. And I've already had it crash on me! :( -Warner Young - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Wed Apr 18 19:41:54 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Jimmy S. McCorquodale, Jr.) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 14:41:54 -0400 Subject: [pmmail-list] missing pmmail.wav In-Reply-To: <003201c0c834$54522ca0$5c01000a@cpdee.ufmg.br> Message-ID: <200104181850.f3IIo0210846@mailsrvc.hrz.uni-oldenburg.de> Hello, There is no file pmmail.wav . When SouthSoft originally wrote the program, they included the 'pmmail.wav' as a sample of what should go into the field. Thanks, jimmy On Wed, 18 Apr 2001 15:20:28 -0300, Jose Hissa Ferreira wrote: > Things have been quiet, just making sure we're still live. Well, I can cooperate with a running ;-) The "pmmail.wav" file was mentioned last week, but it is missing here. Where can I download it? Greetings, JHissa Jimmy S. McCorquodale, Jr. jimmym@blueprintsoftwareworks.com http://www.blueprintsoftwareworks.com Fon: 910-452-4787 Fax: 910-452-4046 - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Wed Apr 18 20:31:03 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Carl S. Hayes) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 14:31:03 -0500 Subject: [pmmail-list] Account pointer/spell check pointer In-Reply-To: Message-ID: When using PMMail2000 and a number of ISP software programs when setting up the account is will not be able to find account info already set after install. It there any file that tells PMMail where to find the account info or the location of the address book/ dictionary? Appreciate any and all info . . . Thanks, Carl - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Thu Apr 19 02:40:37 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Gene Gough) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 21:40:37 -0400 Subject: [pmmail-list] Testing In-Reply-To: <200104181333.tdrjvq.8ru.37kbi1v@osgood.mail.mindspring.net> Message-ID: <200104190140.VAA15965@barry.mail.mindspring.net> Alive and waiting for a version that works with IE as the mailer. Sure do miss that ability! On Wed, 18 Apr 2001 14:31:31 -0300, PMMail OS/2 Support wrote: =>Things have been quiet, just making sure we're still live. => => =>-- =>Trevor Smith =>PMMail/2 Technical Support =>pmmailos2@blueprintsoftwareworks.com => =>- pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- =>To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first =>line of the message body being... =>UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com => => => Gene Gough IBM - Retired Marietta, GA Gough Family Page : http://www.goughfamily.com/home/albums.htm Gough History : http://www.goughfamily.com/familytree/goughtree.html Professional Page : http://www.goughfamily.com/resume/software_expert.html - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Thu Apr 19 07:18:09 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Phil Kane) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 23:18:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [pmmail-list] PMImail Problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Slightly off topic, but who, if anyone, is doing PMImail support? My ISP (VerIO, a national "biggie") just changed their log-in User ID to include a forward-slash. PMImail will accept this as a server setting for downloading articles from their mail servers, but PMImail will not accept this as a valid portion of the Newsgroup header string and will therefore dump the reply or new posting rather than move it to the Outbox. Suggestions? -- Phil Kane From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest Beaverton (Washington County), Oregon - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Thu Apr 19 08:29:55 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Joachim F. Selinger) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 09:29:55 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [pmmail-list] Testing In-Reply-To: <20010418183607.B28A64828C@bender.bawue.de> Message-ID: <20010419073000.392A64828C@bender.bawue.de> --1166131744-1804289383-987665401=:10031 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi! On 18 Apr, Warner Young wrote: > On Wed, 18 Apr 2001 14:08:36 -0400 (EDT), Ralph Cohen wrote: >>I was pretty sure the list was down too when I read about new PMMail >>beta drops on 4/13 in a VOICENews announcement but there was no mention >>of it here. From the lack of any comments here, I think I must be the >>only person who was even aware of their existence. > > Nope, I noticed the new beta last night. And I've already had it crash > on me! :( I use it since Sunday and have not seen any problems so far. The icons for the '+' and '-' are nicer than with the latest official release (not betas). This is the first beta I am using. CU Jocki --1166131744-1804289383-987665401=:10031 Content-Type: APPLICATION/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQA63pPzpHLA4FnPkMoRAuUpAKDR+wxfmLjnCfESXK82HDIQ45Rh0ACfSbgn Ig7P/BLhOlDfyBZkYAFSvTA= =UGH8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --1166131744-1804289383-987665401=:10031-- From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Thu Apr 19 11:52:44 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Steve Wendt) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 03:52:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [pmmail-list] Testing In-Reply-To: <20010419073000.392A64828C@bender.bawue.de> Message-ID: <200104191053.f3JArEX06370@fingers.shocking.com> On Thu, 19 Apr 2001 09:29:55 +0200 (CEST), Joachim F. Selinger wrote: >> Nope, I noticed the new beta last night. And I've already had it crash >> on me! :( > >I use it since Sunday and have not seen any problems so far. The icons for I've been getting a lot of SYS3710 crashes tonight. The program will lock up, and I'll have to close it from the Window list. That's when the crashes show up. ----------- "Good people do not need laws to tell them to act responsibly, while bad people will find a way around the laws." - Plato (427-347 B.C.) - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Thu Apr 19 12:30:54 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Jim Reisert AD1C) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 07:30:54 -0400 Subject: [pmmail-list] Multiple accounts - doesn't play sound file after POP download In-Reply-To: <200104141114.f3EBEY623332@chmls20.mediaone.net> Message-ID: <200104191130.f3JBUsx19754@chmls05.mediaone.net> On Sat, 14 Apr 2001 07:14:34 -0400, Jim Reisert AD1C wrote: >When I had only one POP account set up, PMMail would download my >messages and play the sound file pmmail.wav. > >Now I have multiple POP accounts. When PMMail is done, it plays the >system beep (PC internal speaker) instead of the sound file. The problem was that the pmmail.wav file no longer exists in the current version (.2300) - Jim -- Jim Reisert AD1C, 7 Charlemont Court, North Chelmsford, MA 01863 USA +978-251-9933, , http://www.ad1c.com - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Thu Apr 19 12:45:05 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Peter Jespersen) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 13:45:05 +0200 (CDT) Subject: [pmmail-list] Program parameters Message-ID: <20010419114506.LSHN13507.fepB.post.tele.dk@starbug.dk> Hi there! One thing that could be nice (sorry if this allready has been mentioned) is the possibility of program parameters (like the -check parameter of KMail) .....that could enable you to launch PMMail from...like a Biff (Some sort of Mail-notifyer)....and automatically make a mail-check...perhaps even on a specific account... Well.....Carry On.... Live long and prosper... ____________________________________________________________ Peter Jespersen, Team OS/2 Denmark flywheel@worldonline.dk http://www.worldonline.dk/~flywheel/ vox populi vox Dei (the voice of the people is the voice of God) - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Thu Apr 19 16:40:12 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Scott Garfinkle) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 10:40:12 -0500 (EDT) Subject: [pmmail-list] 0413 pmmail/2000 std traps. also, release version unavail In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200104191540.KAA21872@popmail.austin.ibm.com> My pmmail/2 beta 3 works great. My Pmmail/2000 is continually dying with access violations on both Win98 and Win2k. I ended up having to reinstall an old version. Unfortunately, I had to go back to bmtmicro.com to get the released version, since the beta is what you get from the pmmail2000.com download page. - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Thu Apr 19 18:33:28 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Phil Kane) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 10:33:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [pmmail-list] PMInews Problem - Correction Message-ID: On Wed, 18 Apr 2001 23:18:09 -0700 (PDT), Phil Kane wrote: > > Slightly off topic, but who, if anyone, is doing PMImail > support? > > My ISP (VerIO, a national "biggie") just changed their log-in > User ID to include a forward-slash. PMImail will accept this > as a server setting for downloading articles from their mail > servers, but PMImail will not accept this as a valid portion > of the Newsgroup header string and will therefore dump the > reply or new posting rather than move it to the Outbox. MY ERROR. Should have been about PMInews and news servers. I tried ProNews and it too does not accept the slash as a valid character. > Suggestions? > Phil Kane > > From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest > Beaverton (Washington County), Oregon - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Thu Apr 19 19:08:23 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Phil Kane) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 11:08:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [pmmail-list] PMInews Problem - Correction Message-ID: On Thu, 19 Apr 2001 10:33:28 -0700 (PDT), Phil Kane wrote: > MY ERROR. > > Should have been about PMInews and news servers. With the aid of my ISP, we found a way to access their mail and news servers without using the forward-slash, so the problem is solved. PMMail and PMInews both work OK now. Thanks to everyone for forbearance and assistance, as appropriate. -- Phil Kane From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest Beaverton (Washington County), Oregon - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Thu Apr 19 19:17:39 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Ivan F. Martinez) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 15:17:39 -0300 Subject: [pmmail-list] PMMAIL 2000 under WINE(Linux) , HTML problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20010419151526-30405-12@ecodigit.psi.br> I'm using PMMAIL under WINE on Linux. And When I receive an EMAIL with HTML and the HTML selects the font, PMMAIL can't find the font and don't show the text. It must use a default font when the specified fonts are not in the system. Probably Windows users will have same problem when receive an HTML with specified fonts that does not exist in Windows machine. Ivan F. Martinez ivanfm@os2brasil.com.br Visite http://www.os2brasil.com.br - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Thu Apr 19 19:46:07 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Steven Tryon) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 14:46:07 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [pmmail-list] PMMAIL 2000 under WINE(Linux) , HTML problem In-Reply-To: <20010419151526-30405-12@ecodigit.psi.br> Message-ID: <200104191839.OAA24717@mailhost.xrxgsn.com> On Thu, 19 Apr 2001 15:17:39 -0300, Ivan F. Martinez wrote: >I'm using PMMAIL under WINE on Linux. Ivan, I tried to get PMMAIL to run under WINE but was unsuccessful. Can you tell me how you have it set up? I have a dual boot OS/2 / Red Hat Linux 7.0 so I don't have real ms windows available. Thanks, Steve ____________________ Steven Tryon stryon@attglobal.net ICQ 102798975 - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Fri Apr 20 18:19:12 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (John Swartzentruber) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 13:19:12 -0400 Subject: [pmmail-list] New lockup In-Reply-To: <200104191540.KAA21872@popmail.austin.ibm.com> Message-ID: <200104201720.f3KHKZ230593@mailsrvc.hrz.uni-oldenburg.de> I recently installed PMMail 2000 2.20.2300 and now when I try to launch a URL from a message (either by clicking on it, or selecting it when I right click on it), PMMail stops responding. I also installed IE 6.0 yesterday, so there might be an interaction problem with that. - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Fri Apr 20 18:34:38 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Jimmy S. McCorquodale, Jr.) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 13:34:38 -0400 Subject: [pmmail-list] Fwd: Re: New lockup Message-ID: <200104201743.f3KHhs231232@mailsrvc.hrz.uni-oldenburg.de> ==================BEGIN FORWARDED MESSAGE================== From: "Jimmy S. McCorquodale, Jr." To: "John Swartzentruber" Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 13:24:49 -0400 Reply-To: "Jimmy S. McCorquodale, Jr." Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.20.2300) For Windows 2000 (5.0.2195;1) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [pmmail-list] New lockup Hello John It has something to do with IE, downgrading back to version 5.5 of IE will take care it. We are looking at it now. Thanks, jimmy On Fri, 20 Apr 2001 13:19:12 -0400, John Swartzentruber wrote: I recently installed PMMail 2000 2.20.2300 and now when I try to launch a URL from a message (either by clicking on it, or selecting it when I right click on it), PMMail stops responding. I also installed IE 6.0 yesterday, so there might be an interaction problem with that. ===================END FORWARDED MESSAGE=================== Jimmy S. McCorquodale, Jr. jimmym@blueprintsoftwareworks.com http://www.blueprintsoftwareworks.com Fon: 910-452-4787 Fax: 910-452-4046 - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Fri Apr 20 19:13:19 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (xavier caballe) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 20:13:19 +0200 Subject: [pmmail-list] Fwd: Re: New lockup In-Reply-To: <200104201745.TAA30131@espardenya.drac.com> Message-ID: <200104201812.f3KIClR26989@smtp.wanadoo.es> >It has something to do with IE, downgrading back to version 5.5 of IE will take care it. >We are looking at it now. I'm using both 2.20.2300 and IE 6.0 and it works fine here... Xavi --- Foghorns blowing in the night, salt sea in the morning breeze, driving cars all allong the coastline... This must be what paradise is like - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Fri Apr 20 19:17:29 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Jimmy S. McCorquodale, Jr.) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 14:17:29 -0400 Subject: [pmmail-list] Fwd: Re: New lockup In-Reply-To: <200104201812.f3KIClR26989@smtp.wanadoo.es> Message-ID: <200104201824.f3KIOP232141@mailsrvc.hrz.uni-oldenburg.de> Hello Xavi and All, I have had it happen with a couple of users going up to the latest versions of 5.5 and beta of 6.0. It occurs for some users and is similar to the issue when the registry keys are are messed up. In checking the registry keys and file associations, everything is fine. Backing out to the previous version of IE corrects it. No problems with them under Win2k. I will need to check on other OS's to see if that is related to the cause. Thanks, jimmy On Fri, 20 Apr 2001 20:13:19 +0200, xavier caballe wrote: >It has something to do with IE, downgrading back to version 5.5 of IE will take care it. >We are looking at it now. I'm using both 2.20.2300 and IE 6.0 and it works fine here... Xavi Jimmy S. McCorquodale, Jr. jimmym@blueprintsoftwareworks.com http://www.blueprintsoftwareworks.com Fon: 910-452-4787 Fax: 910-452-4046 - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Fri Apr 20 19:20:50 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Jimmy S. McCorquodale, Jr.) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 14:20:50 -0400 Subject: [pmmail-list] Forums back up Message-ID: <200104201827.f3KIRc232210@mailsrvc.hrz.uni-oldenburg.de> Hello All, The forums are back up now. We were looking into switching to another bulletin board system but decided to stay with UBB for now. I am changing the pages saying it is disabled now. Thanks, jimmy Jimmy S. McCorquodale, Jr. jimmym@blueprintsoftwareworks.com http://www.blueprintsoftwareworks.com Fon: 910-452-4787 Fax: 910-452-4046 - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Fri Apr 20 19:54:45 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (John Swartzentruber) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 14:54:45 -0400 Subject: [pmmail-list] Fwd: Re: New lockup Message-ID: <200104201858.f3KIwD200403@mailsrvc.hrz.uni-oldenburg.de> On Fri, 20 Apr 2001 14:17:29 -0400, Jimmy S. McCorquodale, Jr. wrote: >In checking the registry keys and file associations, everything is fine. Backing out to the previous version of IE corrects it. No problems with them under Win2k. I will need to check on other OS's to see if that is related to the cause. I'm not sure what the "No problems with them under Win2k" part means. I'm running Windows 2000 SP1 and am the one who had the problem. - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Fri Apr 20 21:01:52 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Jimmy S. McCorquodale, Jr.) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 16:01:52 -0400 Subject: [pmmail-list] Fwd: Re: New lockup Message-ID: <200104202008.f3KK8j201943@mailsrvc.hrz.uni-oldenburg.de> I meant under Win2k here, whoops. OT, but speaking of IE, does it give anyone else scripterrors when you do Help-->About? (IE not PMMail) Thanks, jimmy On Fri, 20 Apr 2001 14:54:45 -0400, John Swartzentruber wrote: On Fri, 20 Apr 2001 14:17:29 -0400, Jimmy S. McCorquodale, Jr. wrote: >In checking the registry keys and file associations, everything is fine. Backing out to the previous version of IE corrects it. No problems with them under Win2k. I will need to check on other OS's to see if that is related to the cause. I'm not sure what the "No problems with them under Win2k" part means. I'm running Windows 2000 SP1 and am the one who had the problem. Jimmy S. McCorquodale, Jr. jimmym@blueprintsoftwareworks.com http://www.blueprintsoftwareworks.com Fon: 910-452-4787 Fax: 910-452-4046 - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Fri Apr 20 21:10:13 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Jimmy S. McCorquodale, Jr.) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 16:10:13 -0400 Subject: [pmmail-list] Account pointer/spell check pointer In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200104202029.f3KKTU202318@mailsrvc.hrz.uni-oldenburg.de> PMMail looks for the addressbook info always in the TOOLS folder, and its location is dependent on where the accounts are located. Check the working directory you have set up in your shortcut to PMMail and see that it is pointing to the folder where the accounts are located. With the default installation path this is the 'PMMail 2000' folder. Also check the following in the registry HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Blueprint Software Works\PMMail The key 'Shell Directory' should also be pointing to the same location as the working directory (Once again the default would be the 'PMMail 2000' folder). Thanks, jimmy On Fri, 20 Apr 2001 15:28:12 -0500, Carl S. Hayes wrote: When using PMMail2000 and a number of ISP software programs when setting up the account is will not be able to find account info already set after install. It there any file that tells PMMail where to find the account info or the location of the address book/ dictionary? Appreciate any and all info . . . Thanks, Carl - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Jimmy S. McCorquodale, Jr. jimmym@blueprintsoftwareworks.com http://www.blueprintsoftwareworks.com Fon: 910-452-4787 Fax: 910-452-4046 - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Fri Apr 20 21:28:12 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Carl S. Hayes) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 15:28:12 -0500 Subject: [pmmail-list] Account pointer/spell check pointer Message-ID: When using PMMail2000 and a number of ISP software programs when setting up the account is will not be able to find account info already set after install. It there any file that tells PMMail where to find the account info or the location of the address book/ dictionary? Appreciate any and all info . . . Thanks, Carl - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Fri Apr 20 22:59:40 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Carl S. Hayes) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 16:59:40 -0500 Subject: [pmmail-list] Account pointer/spell check pointer In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thanks for the quick reply Jimmy . . . I'll check it out. Carl On Fri, 20 Apr 2001 16:10:13 -0400, Jimmy S. McCorquodale, Jr. wrote: >PMMail looks for the addressbook info always in the TOOLS folder, and its location is dependent on where the accounts are located. > >Check the working directory you have set up in your shortcut to PMMail and see that it is pointing to the folder where the accounts are located. With the default installation path this is the 'PMMail 2000' folder. > >Also check the following in the registry > >HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Blueprint Software Works\PMMail > >The key 'Shell Directory' should also be pointing to the same location as the working directory (Once again the default would be the 'PMMail 2000' folder). > >Thanks, > >jimmy > > > > >On Fri, 20 Apr 2001 15:28:12 -0500, Carl S. Hayes wrote: > >When using PMMail2000 and a number of ISP >software programs when setting up the account >is will not be able to find account info already >set after install. > >It there any file that tells PMMail where to find the >account info or the location of the address book/ >dictionary? > >Appreciate any and all info . . . > >Thanks, > >Carl > >- pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- >To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first >line of the message body being... >UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com > > > > >Jimmy S. McCorquodale, Jr. >jimmym@blueprintsoftwareworks.com > >http://www.blueprintsoftwareworks.com >Fon: 910-452-4787 >Fax: 910-452-4046 > >- pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- >To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first >line of the message body being... >UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com > > - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Sat Apr 21 01:02:52 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Jim Reisert AD1C) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 20:02:52 -0400 Subject: [pmmail-list] Real-time spell check? In-Reply-To: <200104202029.QAA28805@alum.mit.edu> Message-ID: <200104210002.f3L02m817833@chmls06.mediaone.net> Is there anyway to configure the spell check to occur in real time, instead of at send? It would be nice to be able to correct errors on the fly, rather than having to sort through them when you're in a rush to hit the send button. - Jim -- Jim Reisert AD1C, 7 Charlemont Court, North Chelmsford, MA 01863 USA +978-251-9933, , http://www.ad1c.com - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Sat Apr 21 03:49:42 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Kenneth Porter) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 19:49:42 -0700 Subject: [pmmail-list] Forums back up In-Reply-To: <200104201831.LAA25753@smtp.well.com> Message-ID: <200104210249.TAA22875@mail.well.com> On Fri, 20 Apr 2001 14:20:50 -0400, Jimmy S. McCorquodale, Jr. wrote: >The forums are back up now. We were looking into switching to another bulletin board system but decided to stay with UBB for now. Any chance you can go to newsgroups? I much prefer the speed of a newsreader over a webboard, and prefer the threading of a newsgroup over the single-threaded look that PMMail gives a mailing list. Ken mailto:shiva@well.com http://www.sewingwitch.com/ken/ [If answering a mailing list posting, please don't cc me your reply. I'll take my answer on the list.] - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Sat Apr 21 13:47:09 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Gene Gough) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 08:47:09 -0400 Subject: [pmmail-list] Forums back up In-Reply-To: <200104210249.TAA22875@mail.well.com> Message-ID: <200104211247.IAA16877@granger.mail.mindspring.net> This is a decision that affects all of us and I for one do NOT want a newsgroup. On Fri, 20 Apr 2001 19:49:42 -0700, Kenneth Porter wrote: =>On Fri, 20 Apr 2001 14:20:50 -0400, Jimmy S. McCorquodale, Jr. wrote: => =>>The forums are back up now. We were looking into switching to another bulletin board system but decided to stay with UBB for now. => =>Any chance you can go to newsgroups? I much prefer the speed of a =>newsreader over a webboard, and prefer the threading of a newsgroup =>over the single-threaded look that PMMail gives a mailing list. => =>Ken =>mailto:shiva@well.com =>http://www.sewingwitch.com/ken/ =>[If answering a mailing list posting, please don't cc me your reply. I'll take my answer on the list.] => => => =>- pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- =>To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first =>line of the message body being... =>UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com => => => Gene Gough IBM - Retired Marietta, GA Gough Family Page : http://www.goughfamily.com/home/albums.htm Gough History : http://www.goughfamily.com/familytree/goughtree.html Professional Page : http://www.goughfamily.com/resume/software_expert.html - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Sat Apr 21 17:43:47 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Kris Sorem Sr) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 09:43:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [pmmail-list] ~Re: Real-time spell check? In-Reply-To: <200104210002.f3L02m817833@chmls06.mediaone.net> Message-ID: <200104211657.JAA16376@home.humboldt1.com> On Fri, 20 Apr 2001 20:02:52 -0400, Jim Reisert AD1C wrote: >Is there anyway to configure the spell check to occur in real time, >instead of at send? It would be nice to be able to correct errors on >the fly, rather than having to sort through them when you're in a rush >to hit the send button. No real time as you type spell checking. However, CTRL+/ and LMB on Spell Check button on the toolbar will spell check the message as many times as you wish while drafting it. You can also select the account setting to /Spell Check All Outgoing Messages/. (Account->Settings->Spell Check). -- JMO, /s/~Kris -------------------------------+------------------------------------------ - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Sat Apr 21 20:43:00 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Lueko Willms) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 21:43:00 +0200 (MES) Subject: [pmmail-list] Forums back up In-Reply-To: <200104211247.IAA16877@granger.mail.mindspring.net> Message-ID: <14r3H3-0ok4Y4C@fwd05.sul.t-online.com> On Sat, 21 Apr 2001 08:47:09 -0400, Gene Gough wrote: > This is a decision that affects all of us and I for one do NOT want a newsgroup. > Well, if PMMail could learn (i.e. be programmed) to show threads of mail messages based on the InReplyTo: Header, just as e.g. the good old DOS-Programm Crosspoint can do, it would be fine. Why not combine the strengths of PMMail and PMInews again into one package? > > On Fri, 20 Apr 2001 19:49:42 -0700, Kenneth Porter wrote: > > => >> Any chance you can go to newsgroups? I much prefer the speed of a >> newsreader over a webboard, and prefer the threading of a newsgroup >> over the single-threaded look that PMMail gives a mailing list. >> In case you (Kenneth Porter) want a newsgroup, please stop quoting with the equal sign. It doesn't add anything useful to your messages, on the contrary. And in newsgroups it will draw a lot of flames against you for violating the netiquette. Yours Lüko Willms Frankfurt/Main / Lueko.Willms@T-Online.de - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Sat Apr 21 21:28:52 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Bruce Francis) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 16:28:52 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [pmmail-list] Forums back up In-Reply-To: <14r3H3-0ok4Y4C@fwd05.sul.t-online.com> Message-ID: <20010421202845.9E3D432586@scribe.pobox.com> On Sat, 21 Apr 2001 21:43:00 +0200 (MES), Lueko Willms wrote: > Well, if PMMail could learn (i.e. be programmed) to show threads >of mail messages based on the InReplyTo: Header, just as e.g. the >good old DOS-Programm Crosspoint can do, it would be fine. > > Why not combine the strengths of PMMail and PMInews again into one >package? While I would like the feature (threading) in PMMail, the answer to your "why not combine..." is that BSW does not own PMInews (AFAIK). --- Bruce Francis BFrancis@pobox.com For PGP Public key: email with Subject "BFrancis Public Key" ________________________________________________________ - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Sat Apr 21 21:53:13 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Lueko Willms) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 22:53:13 +0200 (MES) Subject: [pmmail-list] Forums back up In-Reply-To: <20010421202845.9E3D432586@scribe.pobox.com> Message-ID: <14r4ND-0ieFLkC@fwd01.sul.t-online.com> On Sat, 21 Apr 2001 16:28:52 -0400 (EDT), Bruce Francis wrote: > > While I would like the feature (threading) in PMMail, the > answer to your "why not combine..." is that BSW does not own > PMInews (AFAIK). > I know, I know. But didn't the company which bought PMInews not stop all support for OS/2 products some time ago? Where does that leave PMInews? Did Southsoft, when they sold the two products separately, put anything in the contracts about maintaining them, and maintaining them in a fashion that does not break their relationship of e.g. sharing the address books etc? Yours, Lüko Willms Frankfurt/Main / Lueko.Willms@T-Online.de - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Sat Apr 21 22:31:51 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Gunnar Anzinger) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 23:31:51 +0200 Subject: [pmmail-list] PMInews In-Reply-To: <14r4ND-0ieFLkC@fwd01.sul.t-online.com> Message-ID: <200104212133.f3LLXD222308@mailsrvc.hrz.uni-oldenburg.de> On Sat, 21 Apr 2001 22:53:13 +0200 (MES), Lueko Willms wrote: > But didn't the company which bought PMInews not stop all support > for OS/2 products some time ago? Exactly. See the article at "http://www.stardock.com/stardock/articles/endofos2.html". > Where does that leave PMInews? Interesting question. Are there any PMInews users here? If Stardock has no interest in PMInews any longer, it would be great if BSW would take it over, maintain it and port it to Windows. I would be happy to buy a newsreader with the same look and feel and the same quality like PMMail, but I hardly ever use OS/2 anymore. Bye, Gunnar - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Sat Apr 21 22:42:24 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Peter Jespersen) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 23:42:24 +0200 Subject: [pmmail-list] PMInews Message-ID: <01042123422401.00913@starbug> On Saturday 21 April 2001 23:31, you wrote: > On Sat, 21 Apr 2001 22:53:13 +0200 (MES), Lueko Willms wrote: > > But didn't the company which bought PMInews not stop all support > > for OS/2 products some time ago? > > Exactly. See the article at > "http://www.stardock.com/stardock/articles/endofos2.html". AFAIK PMINews is still the property of SouthSoft... Stardock was only one of many resellers > > Where does that leave PMInews? > > Interesting question. Are there any PMInews users here? > > If Stardock has no interest in PMInews any longer, it would be great if > BSW would take it over, maintain it and port it to Windows. I would be > happy to buy a newsreader with the same look and feel and the same > quality like PMMail, but I hardly ever use OS/2 anymore. AFAIK Southsoft is unwilling to give up PMINews, without some sort of compensation -- Live long and prosper... - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Sat Apr 21 23:12:50 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Gregory L. Marx) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 18:12:50 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [pmmail-list] PMInews In-Reply-To: <20010421213331.CHWJ289673.mtapop1.verizon.net@mail.bmtmicro.com> Message-ID: <200104212208.RAA28472@smtp9ve.mailsrvcs.net> On Sat, 21 Apr 2001 23:31:51 +0200, Gunnar Anzinger wrote: >If Stardock has no interest in PMInews any longer, it would be great if >BSW would take it over, maintain it and port it to Windows. I would be >happy to buy a newsreader with the same look and feel and the same quality >like PMMail, but I hardly ever use OS/2 anymore. Newsreaders are being used less and less as time goes on ... as is dedicated email software ... Not to mention the fact that people EXPECT their internet software to be free since Microsoft gives away their Internet Explorer suite ... which as we know includes a newsreader and an email client ... Plus every copy of Office 97/2000 includes the full featured Outlook PIM ... and we mustn't forget that MS & Windows is something like 95% of the marketplace ... With all that weighing on a ISVs plate, how can we expect them to make a living out of selling email & newsreader software ??? There's no way that's going to happen ... although I certainly wish it would ... but for some damn reason not enough people are willing to pay for good quality software that is dedicated to performing a very specific task ... So we have to scrape on by with what is offered to us by the Blueprint Software Works of the world ... that is, smallish ISVs that can try real hard to provide a good solid product ... where even having just a few percent of the marketplace can result in a wildly successful product ... For the rest of the big players, email and newsreaders are throw away items ... It sucks but it's the way it is ... Greg - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Sat Apr 21 23:57:06 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Menno Tillema) Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 00:57:06 +0200 (CDT) Subject: [pmmail-list] PMInews In-Reply-To: <200104212133.f3LLXBi29908@hgatenl.hobby.nl> Message-ID: <200104212259.f3LMx0i32095@hgatenl.hobby.nl> On Sat, 21 Apr 2001 23:31:51 +0200, Gunnar Anzinger wrote: > Interesting question. Are there any PMInews users here? Yes. Although I use it not to the extend that I come across many bugs, I sure would like to have a supported program. Like Pmmail. -- Tot mails, Menno Tillema Kijk ook eens op http://www.heemschut.nl - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Sun Apr 22 00:35:11 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Gene Gough) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 19:35:11 -0400 Subject: [pmmail-list] Forums back up In-Reply-To: <14r4ND-0ieFLkC@fwd01.sul.t-online.com> Message-ID: <200104212335.TAA01040@johnson.mail.mindspring.net> But we are not all using OS/2 anymore. On Sat, 21 Apr 2001 22:53:13 +0200 (MES), Lueko Willms wrote: => But didn't the company which bought PMInews not stop all support =>for OS/2 products some time ago? Where does that leave PMInews? => Gene Gough IBM - Retired Marietta, GA Gough Family Page : http://www.goughfamily.com/home/albums.htm Gough History : http://www.goughfamily.com/familytree/goughtree.html Professional Page : http://www.goughfamily.com/resume/software_expert.html - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Sun Apr 22 03:41:09 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Gregory L. Marx) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 22:41:09 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [pmmail-list] PMInews In-Reply-To: <01042123422401.00913@starbug> Message-ID: <200104220252.CAA24132285@smtp4ve.mailsrvcs.net> On Sat, 21 Apr 2001 23:42:24 +0200, Peter Jespersen wrote: >AFAIK Southsoft is unwilling to give up PMINews, without some sort of >compensation Well then ... maybe after eCS sells a few million copies someone with have enough money to buy the rights to PMINews ... Until that happens ... we should support the few remaining newsreaders there are for eCS/OS2 ... My vote goes towards ProNews ... Greg - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Sun Apr 22 08:01:26 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Peter Jespersen) Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 09:01:26 +0200 Subject: [pmmail-list] PMInews In-Reply-To: <200104220252.CAA24132285@smtp4ve.mailsrvcs.net> References: <200104220252.CAA24132285@smtp4ve.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <01042209012600.02661@starbug> On Sunday 22 April 2001 04:41, you wrote: > Well then ... maybe after eCS sells a few million copies someone with > have enough money to buy the rights to PMINews ... Until that happens > ... we should support the few remaining newsreaders there are for > eCS/OS2 ... Sounds like a great idea > My vote goes towards ProNews ... Hmmm...perhaps I should take a look at that one...PMINews has a few faults, especially when it is under pressure... -- Live long and prosper... - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Sun Apr 22 09:23:49 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Lueko Willms) Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 10:23:49 +0200 (MES) Subject: [pmmail-list] All recipients to address book?! Message-ID: <14rF9p-1SzoQqC@fwd06.sul.t-online.com> From a message I received, I would like to add all recipients (To: and Cc:) or a selection of them to an address book. I don't see a standard way to do it. Did I overlook something obvious? If not, I would like to add this feature to the wish list. When I mark all those recipient addresses in the full header view and select to add them to the address boook, PMMail presents me with a menu of all those addresses, but will add only one at a time. Also in this mode, other then wen adding the sender, PMMail ignores the free form name which goes with the address. Yours, Lüko Willms Frankfurt/Main / Lueko.Willms@T-Online.de - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Sun Apr 22 10:35:14 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Andreas Ludwig) Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 11:35:14 +0200 (MSZ) Subject: [pmmail-list] Ctrl+/ not working under German Warp4 Message-ID: <200104220945.f3M9jB202626@mailsrvc.hrz.uni-oldenburg.de> Hi all, while reading a message in this list, I remembered a problem I wanted to report for a long time: The hotkey for selecting all text in the editor window will not work in German Warp. Ctrl+/ does nothing, perhaps because the '/' sign is reached by pressing 'Shift+7' here. It's no big problem however, as I can use the edit menu or do Alt+E+S. Best regards Andreas -- Andreas Ludwig from the beautiful town of POTSDAM (Germany) using my good old PC and OS/2 WARP 4 ! -- - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Sun Apr 22 10:45:51 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Andreas Ludwig) Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 11:45:51 +0200 (MSZ) Subject: [pmmail-list] Still long delay when logging on tho SMTP server Message-ID: <200104220950.f3M9of202694@mailsrvc.hrz.uni-oldenburg.de> Hi all, I still have this long delay when logging on to my SMTP server(s) with version 2.20.2300 of PMMail/2. Still takes about 70 seconds doing nothing (probabaly waiting for a timeout). I didn't have this with version 2.10. Best regards Andreas Ludwig PS.: The acounts do _not_ use authentication. -- Andreas Ludwig from the beautiful town of POTSDAM (Germany) using my good old PC and OS/2 WARP 4 ! -- - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Sun Apr 22 11:01:42 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Gregory L. Marx) Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 06:01:42 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [pmmail-list] PMInews In-Reply-To: <01042209012600.02661@starbug> Message-ID: <200104220353.WAA11348@smtp10ve.mailsrvcs.net> On Sun, 22 Apr 2001 09:01:26 +0200, Peter Jespersen wrote: You need to be aware that ProNews is STILL a beta release ... although one that works very well ... But there are still a few quirks of its own ... I have PMINews as well, and after a side-by-side comparision I've come to the conclusion that ProNews is best ... Of course that's just my opinon ... YMMV ... If you have any trouble let me know ... maybe I can help ... Greg >On Sunday 22 April 2001 04:41, you wrote: > > > >> Well then ... maybe after eCS sells a few million copies someone with >> have enough money to buy the rights to PMINews ... Until that happens >> ... we should support the few remaining newsreaders there are for >> eCS/OS2 ... > >Sounds like a great idea > >> My vote goes towards ProNews ... > >Hmmm...perhaps I should take a look at that one...PMINews has a few >faults, especially when it is under pressure... > >-- >Live long and prosper... >- pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- >To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first >line of the message body being... >UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com > > - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Sun Apr 22 11:58:22 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (PMMail OS/2 Support) Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 07:58:22 -0300 Subject: [pmmail-list] Still long delay when logging on tho SMTP server Message-ID: <200104221100.f3MB0u203578@mailsrvc.hrz.uni-oldenburg.de> On Sun, 22 Apr 2001 11:45:51 +0200 (MSZ), Andreas Ludwig wrote: >I still have this long delay when logging on to my SMTP server(s) with >version 2.20.2300 of PMMail/2. Still takes about 70 seconds doing >nothing (probabaly waiting for a timeout). I didn't have this with >version 2.10. Does it eventually send or generate an error? -- Trevor Smith PMMail/2 Technical Support pmmailos2@blueprintsoftwareworks.com - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Sun Apr 22 12:59:30 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Manfred Usselmann) Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 12:59:30 +0100 (MEZ) Subject: [pmmail-list] Ctrl+/ not working under German Warp4 Message-ID: <200104221120.NAA10714@icg-pc202.icg-online.de> Hi, On Sun, 22 Apr 2001 11:35:14 +0200 (MSZ), Andreas Ludwig wrote: >Hi all, >while reading a message in this list, I remembered a problem I wanted >to report for a long time: > >The hotkey for selecting all text in the editor window will not work in >German Warp. Ctrl+/ does nothing, perhaps because the '/' sign is >reached by pressing 'Shift+7' here. It does not work here either. But I do not believe that this is a problem only with a German Warp version because Ctrl+/ (Ctrl+Shift+7) for selecting all messages in a folder does work for me with Warp 4 German and WSeB German. Manfred -- ________________________________________________________________________ Manfred Usselmann usselmann.m@icg-online.de - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Sun Apr 22 16:11:58 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (R.J. Koester) Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 17:11:58 +0200 (MESZ) Subject: [pmmail-list] Ctrl+/ not working under German Warp4 Message-ID: Hi, you should try [Strg] + the *grey* `÷´ key (international division character) on the numeric key pad instead of the alphanumeric key. I think, this is right whenever Ctrl+/ or Ctrl+* is mentioned. It works fine here! Rodya On Sun, 22 Apr 2001 12:59:30 +0100 (MEZ), Manfred Usselmann wrote: |Hi, | |On Sun, 22 Apr 2001 11:35:14 +0200 (MSZ), Andreas Ludwig wrote: | |>Hi all, |>while reading a message in this list, I remembered a problem I wanted |>to report for a long time: |> |>The hotkey for selecting all text in the editor window will not work |>in German Warp. Ctrl+/ does nothing, perhaps because the '/' sign is |>reached by pressing 'Shift+7' here. | |It does not work here either. | |But I do not believe that this is a problem only with a German Warp |version because Ctrl+/ (Ctrl+Shift+7) for selecting all messages in a |folder does work for me with Warp 4 German and WSeB German. | |Manfred -- \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\/////////////////////////////////// > rodya jörn koester <> rj.koester@web.de < //////////////////////////////////\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Sun Apr 22 16:24:03 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (rotijohn@softhome.net) Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 11:24:03 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [pmmail-list] CPU Hog / WPS Lockup Message-ID: <200104220328.f3M3S4231627@mailsrvc.hrz.uni-oldenburg.de> I reported this some time ago. It is still happening and I wonder if there's anyone on the list who's experience the same bugs. My Warp box is at FP12, TCPIP 4.1 and MPTS 5.5. PMMail/2 ver 2.20.2030 is the last version which works properly on my machine. With 2.20.2100 onwards including the latest beta, PMMail/2 would behave for a while, showing no wayward symptoms. However, after the first "timed" retrieval, something in the client would hog the CPU and my CPU monitor would show PMMail spiking the CPU between 95%-100%. If I check the all the accounts in PMMail/2 at this time, I would find all to be dormant and not undergoing any retrieving operations or otherwise. Killing PMMail/2 is no solution as the client would close and disappear from the window tasklist. However, a process listing would show PMMail still hanging somewhere there using up CPU cycles. Any help? I can't believe I'm the only one with this problem. Regards, John - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Sun Apr 22 16:27:11 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Guillaume Gay) Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 17:27:11 +0200 (CDT) Subject: [pmmail-list] Ctrl+/ not working under German Warp4 In-Reply-To: <200104221120.NAA10714@icg-pc202.icg-online.de> Message-ID: <200104221418.QAA01599@australie.uco.fr> On Sun, 22 Apr 2001 12:59:30 +0100 (MEZ), Manfred Usselmann wrote: >On Sun, 22 Apr 2001 11:35:14 +0200 (MSZ), Andreas Ludwig wrote: >>The hotkey for selecting all text in the editor window will not work in >>German Warp. Ctrl+/ does nothing, perhaps because the '/' sign is >>reached by pressing 'Shift+7' here. > >It does not work here either. > >But I do not believe that this is a problem only with a German Warp >version because Ctrl+/ (Ctrl+Shift+7) for selecting all messages in a >folder does work for me with Warp 4 German and WSeB German. This is not a German OS/2 specific problem, since we have the same problem here with AZERTY (i.e. non-QWERTY) keyboard layout. This is not really a problem, though, unless you don't have ANY numeric keypad. ([Num Lock][/][*][-]) Have a nice end of week-end ! -- __ | | "Ich bin ein Merliner" (:-) / | . | | =(Mail)=> gay@mail.dotcom.fr / ______|_|_\_______/_ =======> OS/2 enabled \__/ | | ======> TeamWarped (RC5/DES cracking effort) ___________________________________________________________________________ If at first you don't succeed, you must be using Windows ... - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Sun Apr 22 16:33:21 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Lueko Willms) Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 17:33:21 +0200 (MES) Subject: [pmmail-list] Ctrl+/ not working under German Warp4 In-Reply-To: <200104221120.NAA10714@icg-pc202.icg-online.de> Message-ID: <14rLql-2B3lKKC@fwd07.sul.t-online.com> On Sun, 22 Apr 2001 12:59:30 +0100 (MEZ), Manfred Usselmann wrote: > > But I do not believe that this is a problem only with a German Warp > version because Ctrl+/ (Ctrl+Shift+7) for selecting all messages in a > folder does work for me with Warp 4 German and WSeB German. Same for me. Thanks for the tips. Finally I got it... Yours, Lüko Willms Frankfurt/Main / Lueko.Willms@T-Online.de - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Sun Apr 22 18:43:41 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Phil Kane) Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 10:43:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [pmmail-list] PMInews In-Reply-To: Message-ID: A "shotgun" reply..... > Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 23:31:51 +0200 > From: "Gunnar Anzinger" >> Where does that leave PMInews? > >Interesting question. Are there any PMInews users here? Most definitely, here's one. > Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 18:12:50 -0400 (EDT) > From: "Gregory L. Marx" >Newsreaders are being used less and less as time goes on ... OH? I just doubled the number of newsgroups which I read at least daily when I added the eCS groups to my other work- and hobby-related groups. >as is dedicated email software ... Only by folks who enjoy using a browser (graphics-based reader) to read text-based messages. >Not to mention the fact that people EXPECT their internet software to >be free since Microsoft gives away their Internet Explorer suite ... >which as we know includes a newsreader and an email client ... In that example ONE GETS WHAT ONE PAYS FOR >and we mustn't forget that MS & Windows is something like 95% of >the marketplace ... Is that a justification for mediocre-quality software? >So we have to scrape on by with what is offered to us by the Blueprint >Software Works of the world ... that is, smallish ISVs that can try real >hard to provide a good solid product ... where even having just a few >percent of the marketplace can result in a wildly successful product ... And support them we must. >For the rest of the big players, email and newsreaders are throw away >items ... With the "quality" of the 99-cents-for-a-dozen ballpoint pens which I cannot write with..... >It sucks but it's the way it is ... Only if we let it be that way. > Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 22:41:09-0400 (EDT) > From: "Gregory L. Marx" >Well then ... maybe after eCS sells a few million copies someone with >have enough money to buy the rights to PMINews ... >Until that happens... we should support the few remaining newsreaders >there are for eCS/OS2 ... > >My vote goes towards ProNews ... I tried ProNews the other day when I thought that I was having problems with PMINews (it was actually a problem of my ISP giving me bad newsserver login information). I insist on using applications (mail, news, ZTree, etc) which use an external editor. My "designated editor" is The Semware Editor, nee QEdit, an old-line app which I have configured with all my personal look-and-feel and editing macros that I have developed for it over the years. TSE is available in several major native OS versions, including OS/2, and is small enough to fit on a single floppy if need be. PMMail and PMInews are two readers which can accept the external editor. ProNews, Netscape, and others that I have seen/tried cannot. It's that simple a choice. There are still a few features/procedures in PMMail that I would like to see in PMINews (did BoB take a few shortcuts?), but that's for a later time. Meanwhile, let's keep the ball rolling. -- Phil Kane From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Sun Apr 22 19:30:53 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Boris Kirkorowicz) Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 20:30:53 +0200 (MSZ) Subject: [pmmail-list] PMInews In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sun, 22 Apr 2001 10:43:41 -0700 (PDT), Phil Kane wrote: >>Newsreaders are being used less and less as time goes on ... > > OH? I just doubled the number of newsgroups which I read at least > daily when I added the eCS groups to my other work- and hobby-related > groups. Newsgoups are more and more displaced by mailing list -like this one... ;->) There are advantages and disadvantages, and the "classic" internet technique has to share the market. That's all. What I like most in PMiNews is the common use of PMMail's address book, but I don't like at all is the terrible handling. I think a merge of ProNews and PMiNews would be a very attractive idea. Gruß Greetings Boris Kirkorowicz - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Sun Apr 22 21:35:40 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Hazen Woods) Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 15:35:40 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [pmmail-list] PMInews In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200104222035.PAA12931@anarchy.io.com> On Sun, 22 Apr 2001 20:30:53 +0200 (MSZ), Boris Kirkorowicz wrote: >>On Sun, 22 Apr 2001 10:43:41 -0700 (PDT), Phil Kane wrote: >> >>>>Newsreaders are being used less and less as time goes on ... >>> >>> OH? I just doubled the number of newsgroups which I read at least >>> daily when I added the eCS groups to my other work- and hobby-related >>> groups. >> >>Newsgoups are more and more displaced by mailing list -like this one... >>;->) >>There are advantages and disadvantages, and the "classic" internet >>technique has to share the market. That's all. >> >>What I like most in PMiNews is the common use of PMMail's address book, >>but I don't like at all is the terrible handling. I think a merge of >>ProNews and PMiNews would be a very attractive idea. Where can I find out more about ProNews? Hazen Woods Austin, TX Sent to you at Warp 4 speed (FP 11) via PMMail/2 v. 2.20.2300 (beta) - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Mon Apr 23 01:51:55 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Steven Tryon) Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 20:51:55 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [pmmail-list] PMInews In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200104230053.f3N0rR219804@mailsrvc.hrz.uni-oldenburg.de> Just downloaded ProNews. I like it already. Thanks for the tip. Steve ____________________ Steven Tryon stryon@attglobal.net ICQ 102798975 - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Mon Apr 23 05:04:24 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Rich) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 00:04:24 -0400 Subject: [pmmail-list] PMMail and network security issue. Message-ID: <200104230404.AAA137882@smtp01.roc.gblx.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I'll bring this up here just in case I'm just being horribly over paranoid, or maybe am just missing something? Quite a while ago I reported what I thought was a security problem to BluePrint after they announced they were actually working on PMMail. The problem is the implementation of the "helo" command when mail is sent out. PMMail sent out the actual network computer name in the header. Of course the IP address is also available in the header. This gives anyone interested two thirds of the information needed to hack into your computer, missing only the password. My impression from BluePrint at that time was that it would be changed. Well, after installing the 2.20.2300 beta3 program and sending myself a mail, I see they did changed it. It now not only sends the actual network computer name but also the network workgroup name! This is not a change for the better! To my knowledge it is specified nowhere in the RFC's that the network computer and workgroup names have to be sent along with an e-mail? Also to my knowledge, no other e-mail program does this. As a matter of fact, I can control what Netscape sends out with the helo command in the settings page, as it should be! Other programs use the return email address or just the user's name. That's fine too. But why give people everything they need to hack into our computers with every email we send? Paranoia aside, there's probably no one in the world who would bother trying to get into my computers, and they would almost certainly be disappointed by what they might find here, but that's not the point... So there's my comment and complaint. And if anyone knows how to get around this without hacking into the PMMail binary to change the helo command, I'd like to hear about it! I tried everything I could think of last time on my OS/2 machine with no luck. I'll check more into the win machines to see what can be done there... Until then, I'll be looking for another email program that doesn't compromise the security of my network... Rich... ****************************************************************************** Practice Random Acts of Kindness and Senseless...Umm...Uhh.... Oh - Heck...I never could remember all that "nice" stuff. - -----------------------------{rich@bearlycomputing.com}------------------------------ ****************************************************************************** -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPsdk version 1.7.1 (C) 1997-1999 Network Associates, Inc. and its affiliated companies. iQA/AwUBOuOpyAcTxhO5AgodEQIYIwCcC4tS9xth0a5OpF5CAKghDsyfQiwAn1JK yewMOAmmhwhGbx1AmVPVdFVE =vAXX -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Mon Apr 23 06:55:22 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Stefan Kirch) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 07:55:22 +0200 Subject: [pmmail-list] PMMail and network security issue. In-Reply-To: <200104230404.AAA137882@smtp01.roc.gblx.net> Message-ID: <200104230557.f3N5v7222823@mailsrvc.hrz.uni-oldenburg.de> Hi Rich! I'm not sure, if I understood you correctly. You worry about the data, which is been shared between your email-client and your SMTP-Server, don't you? In the header of the emails themself, there are no informations about computer-names or workgroup - despite of the "Received"- lines, which are inserted by the MTA. So it seems to me, as if there is only a security-problem between the email-client and the smtp-server, ok? EVERY smtp-server knows your ip, if you make a connection to the server, if not, you are not able to make a connection. So, it doesn't matter, to send the ip-address in the helo-command, because the SMTP-server allready know this. Ok, the workgroup-name and the computer-name aren't necessary, so it would be a good idea, to NOT announce them with the helo-command. In my opinion, the best idea, to be as secure as possible, is to use every time a own smtp-server and "patch" this one, so that the smtp-server doesn't add important informations to the emails, e.g. we use qmail and made settings, that the first received line is "Received: from somewhere (user@somewhere)" instead of ip-adresses or usernames. I don't know, if it's possible for you, to install a own smtp-server but I think, this is the most secure way to avoid any problems! Steff - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Mon Apr 23 07:46:30 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Joachim F. Selinger) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 08:46:30 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [pmmail-list] PMMail and network security issue. In-Reply-To: <20010423055728.251FF48647@bender.bawue.de> Message-ID: <20010423064635.1A3E848634@bender.bawue.de> --1166131744-846930886-988008396=:8721 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Hi Rich and Stefan! On 23 Apr, Stefan Kirch wrote: > EVERY smtp-server knows your ip, if you make a connection to > the server, if not, you are not able to make a connection. So, > it doesn't matter, to send the ip-address in the helo-command, > because the SMTP-server allready know this. Not quite correct. If you send through a firewall with NAT, it won't know your internal IP Adress, just the one from the firewall, but nevertheless if you transfer it with the HELO command. =20 > In my opinion, the best idea, to be as secure as possible, is > to use every time a own smtp-server and "patch" this one, > so that the smtp-server doesn't add important informations to > the emails, e.g. we use qmail and made settings, that the first > received line is "Received: from somewhere (user@somewhere)" > instead of ip-adresses or usernames. Something like this would have been my recommendation as well. You could use Weasel (for OS/2 only) maybe (I haven't checked what it adds to the received lines though, but in a mail I see, it looks as if it only sends the host, not the use and not the workgroup name etc.). CU Jocki -- =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D/\=3D=3D=3D/\=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D/\=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Joachim F. Selinger / \ / \/\ /\/ \ ___ Brunhildenweg 4 / \/\ / \ \/\ \ | D-70597 Stuttgart,Germany/ / / CU \ / \ \ ----------(0)---------- Tel.(49)+711-901-8040 / =FC / / / \ \ ' Fax.(49)+711-901-8041=3D=3Dselinger(@)idefix.s.bawue.de=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3DSo= aring=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D --1166131744-846930886-988008396=:8721 Content-Type: APPLICATION/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQA648/GpHLA4FnPkMoRAqIlAJ9e6Bojx2npTMpyd82yjvUQ8EWHdgCfftiD NICt4DEUQAsFQ+kbmFfZcHU= =ICqK -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --1166131744-846930886-988008396=:8721-- From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Mon Apr 23 11:24:43 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Gregory L. Marx) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 06:24:43 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [pmmail-list] PMInews In-Reply-To: <20010423005314.WXIY3490380.mtapop4.verizon.net@mail.bmtmicro.com> Message-ID: <200104231020.FAA29224@smtp9ve.mailsrvcs.net> On Sun, 22 Apr 2001 20:51:55 -0400 (EDT), Steven Tryon wrote: What version do you have ??? There are two floating around ... one is the official release that only supports 1 newsserver ... The other is a beta that supports many servers among many other fixes and enhancements ... Greg >Just downloaded ProNews. I like it already. Thanks for the tip. > >Steve >____________________ >Steven Tryon >stryon@attglobal.net >ICQ 102798975 > >- pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- >To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first >line of the message body being... >UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com > > - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Mon Apr 23 11:30:09 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Steven Tryon) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 06:30:09 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [pmmail-list] PMInews In-Reply-To: <200104231020.FAA29224@smtp9ve.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <200104231030.f3NAUk212142@mailsrvc.hrz.uni-oldenburg.de> On Mon, 23 Apr 2001 06:24:43 -0400 (EDT), Gregory L. Marx wrote: >What version do you have ??? >There are two floating around ... one is the official release that only supports 1 newsserver ... >The other is a beta that supports many servers among many other fixes and enhancements ... Says here, 1.51.ib102 Pulled it off Hobbes. Steve ____________________ Steven Tryon stryon@attglobal.net ICQ 102798975 - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Mon Apr 23 11:35:41 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (xavier caballe) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 12:35:41 +0200 Subject: [pmmail-list] Ctrl+/ not working under German Warp4 In-Reply-To: <200104220946.LAA23095@espardenya.drac.com> Message-ID: <200104230943.f3N9h1D01613@bastion.selseg.com> >German Warp. Ctrl+/ does nothing, perhaps because the '/' sign is >reached by pressing 'Shift+7' here. It's no big problem however, as I Try Ctrl+Shift+7... Xavi --- Foghorns blowing in the night, salt sea in the morning breeze, driving cars all allong the coastline... This must be what paradise is like - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Mon Apr 23 11:42:44 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Gregory L. Marx) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 06:42:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [pmmail-list] PMInews In-Reply-To: <20010423103254.CVZG1288938.mtapop2.verizon.net@mail.bmtmicro.com> Message-ID: <200104231037.FAA01534@smtp8ve.mailsrvcs.net> On Mon, 23 Apr 2001 06:30:09 -0400 (EDT), Steven Tryon wrote: You have the latest ... cool ... >On Mon, 23 Apr 2001 06:24:43 -0400 (EDT), Gregory L. Marx wrote: > >>What version do you have ??? >>There are two floating around ... one is the official release that only supports 1 newsserver ... >>The other is a beta that supports many servers among many other fixes and enhancements ... > >Says here, 1.51.ib102 > >Pulled it off Hobbes. > >Steve >____________________ >Steven Tryon >stryon@attglobal.net >ICQ 102798975 > >- pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- >To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first >line of the message body being... >UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com > > - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Mon Apr 23 13:54:52 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Rich) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 08:54:52 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [pmmail-list] PMMail and network security issue. In-Reply-To: <200104230557.f3N5vPc20326@host2.the-web-host.com> Message-ID: <200104231255.IAA30750@smtp02.roc.gblx.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, 23 Apr 2001 07:55:22 +0200, Stefan Kirch wrote: >Hi Rich! > >I'm not sure, if I understood you correctly. You worry about the >data, which is been shared between your email-client and your >SMTP-Server, don't you? > >In the header of the emails themself, there are no informations >about computer-names or workgroup - despite of the "Received"- >lines, which are inserted by the MTA. >So it seems to me, as if there is only a security-problem between >the email-client and the smtp-server, ok? There _shouldn't_ be any information about the computer name or workgroup in the header, this I agree with 100%. It's PMMail that inserts this information using the 'helo' command. As I said, I believe Netscape uses the user name entered into the settings menu. I haven't seen another email client that uses the actual computer and workgroup names for the helo command. I've also noticed that what gets out of the server is entirely server dependant. Most people here don't show any "claiming to be" in the headers. I did a search through all the headers for "claiming to be" and only found two others. If you look at this mail, you'll see in the header a "claiming to be 'me'" at the end of a "received" line. That is inserted by PMMail using the helo command. I changed it to read 'me' instead of the computer name. This apparently is not reported by most other servers... > >EVERY smtp-server knows your ip, if you make a connection to >the server, if not, you are not able to make a connection. So, >it doesn't matter, to send the ip-address in the helo-command, >because the SMTP-server allready know this. >Ok, the workgroup-name and the computer-name aren't necessary, >so it would be a good idea, to NOT announce them with the >helo-command. It's not the IP address I'm worried about... Besides my dial-up server inserts the IP address no matter what I could send them... > >In my opinion, the best idea, to be as secure as possible, is >to use every time a own smtp-server and "patch" this one, >so that the smtp-server doesn't add important informations to >the emails, e.g. we use qmail and made settings, that the first >received line is "Received: from somewhere (user@somewhere)" >instead of ip-adresses or usernames. > >I don't know, if it's possible for you, to install a own >smtp-server but I think, this is the most secure way to avoid >any problems! I don't know if it's possible either? I actually nevcer thought of it. I 'dial up' to the internet and thought I couldn't do an SMTP server without a 'real' ip address? I'll have to look into this more closely. I use an OS/2 machine with NAT for the internet with a bunch od win machines connected through it... Thanks... Rich... > > Steff > >- pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- >To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first >line of the message body being... >UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com > > ****************************************************************************** Practice Random Acts of Kindness and Senseless...Umm...Uhh.... Oh - Heck...I never could remember all that "nice" stuff. - -----------------------------{rich@bearlycomputing.com}------------------------------ ****************************************************************************** -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 5.0 OS/2 for non-commercial use Comment: PGP 5.0 for OS/2 Charset: noconv wj8DBQE65BgHBxPGE7kCCh0RAistAKDLorJN+77+HtGzJn9SW4WQAxTsKQCghmUv lw15goFuRmgdulPHFH+UHr8= =s3qy -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Mon Apr 23 14:05:05 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Gunnar Anzinger) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 15:05:05 +0200 Subject: [pmmail-list] PMInews In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200104231306.f3ND6X226359@mailsrvc.hrz.uni-oldenburg.de> On Sun, 22 Apr 2001 10:43:41 -0700 (PDT), Phil Kane wrote: > > Are there any PMInews users here? > Most definitely, here's one. Was there ever an announcement from Stardock or Southsoft about the future of PMInews, especially after Stardock stopped selling OS/2 products? Was there ever an update of PMInews after v2.0 was released in 1998? Bye, Gunnar - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Mon Apr 23 14:08:23 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Gene Gough) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 09:08:23 -0400 Subject: [pmmail-list] PMMail and network security issue. In-Reply-To: <200104230404.AAA137882@smtp01.roc.gblx.net> Message-ID: <200104231308.JAA10038@blount.mail.mindspring.net> Why in the world does Blueprint want to send that information in any case? I have a DSL server in the house and it runs SYGATE so we are pretty much protected but the idea that my e-mail client is sending information that is not required really bothers me. On Mon, 23 Apr 2001 00:04:24 -0400, Rich wrote: =>My impression from BluePrint at that time was that it would be changed. Well, after installing the 2.20.2300 beta3 program =>and sending myself a mail, I see they did changed it. It now not only sends the actual network computer name but also =>the network workgroup name! This is not a change for the better! To my knowledge it is specified nowhere in the RFC's =>that the network computer and workgroup names have to be sent along with an e-mail? Also to my knowledge, no other Gene Gough IBM - Retired Marietta, GA Gough Family Page : http://www.goughfamily.com/home/albums.htm Gough History : http://www.goughfamily.com/familytree/goughtree.html Professional Page : http://www.goughfamily.com/resume/software_expert.html - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Mon Apr 23 16:51:39 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Maynard Riley) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 10:51:39 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [pmmail-list] PMMail and network security issue. In-Reply-To: <200104230404.AAA137882@smtp01.roc.gblx.net> Message-ID: <200104231551.f3NFpcM24931@postal.interaccess.com> I studied this issue at some length many months ago, and will gladly report some results here. PMMail/2 v2 sends a HELO argument which can be controlled by your HOSTS file for whatever IP you're using [\mptn\BIN\SETUP.CMD]. Perhaps if it doesn't find it there it looks elsewhere, presumbaly HOSTNAME in config.sys I'm also running Weasel, which of course also sends a HELO argument; though I haven't cared where it finds the value for this purpose, I presume that it is one of the two sources mentioned above. In either case, the entry of that information into email headers is under the sole control of the SMTP program which receives the message, be it from PMMail or from Weasel or from Sendmail or whatever. Weasel will add this into the Received line which it generates, when you use PMMail to send to Weasel, and Weasel to send it outside. Changing the value used in your local HOSTS file shouldn't affect other users on the local network; and would be the easiest way to control the PMMail HELO output. hth, `~Maynard - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Mon Apr 23 17:30:59 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Martin Jansen) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 18:30:59 +0200 Subject: [pmmail-list] lost mail after system crash Message-ID: <200104231632.f3NGWG208411@mailsrvc.hrz.uni-oldenburg.de> Just a few minutes ago, my machine (Windows 2000 Professional, Service Pack 2 RC2) crashed (like it often does ;-) and I had to do a hardware reset to take it back to life. While the machine crashed, I was fetching my EMail with PMMail 2000 2.20.2300. After the machine had rebooted, I fetched my EMail again just to make sure that there were no more messages left on the server. After this was finally done, I had some duplicate messages in some folders (to BSW: add a function, that removes duplicates, __please__). That's not a problem because they were not that much, so I could easily delete them. But there is another, pretty wired problem: One of my folders in one account, who was still fetching EMail when the machine crashed, was deleted and all the messages seem to be gone *Sniff*. The lost messages aren't a big problem for me because they were from a mailing list, so they didn't touch me directly. But I think that this bug (?) can have bad consequences, e.g. when messages are deleted that are of major importance. Martin - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Mon Apr 23 18:43:51 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Andreas Ludwig) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 19:43:51 +0200 (MSZ) Subject: [pmmail-list] Still long delay when logging on tho SMTP server In-Reply-To: <200104221100.f3MB0lU07759@persius.rz.uni-potsdam.de> Message-ID: <200104231926.f3NJQu213901@mailsrvc.hrz.uni-oldenburg.de> On Sun, 22 Apr 2001 07:58:22 -0300, PMMail OS/2 Support wrote: >>I still have this long delay when logging on to my SMTP server(s) with >>version 2.20.2300 of PMMail/2. Still takes about 70 seconds doing >>nothing (probabaly waiting for a timeout). I didn't have this with >>version 2.10. > >Does it eventually send or generate an error? It sends without an error. Just takes exactly 67 seconds doing nothing (saying 'Logging on to SMTP server') Best regards Andreas -- Andreas Ludwig from the beautiful town of POTSDAM (Germany) using my good old PC and OS/2 WARP 4 ! -- - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Mon Apr 23 18:45:25 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Andreas Ludwig) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 19:45:25 +0200 (MSZ) Subject: [pmmail-list] Ctrl+/ not working under German Warp4 In-Reply-To: <200104221120.NAA10714@icg-pc202.icg-online.de> Message-ID: <200104231926.f3NJQI213873@mailsrvc.hrz.uni-oldenburg.de> On Sun, 22 Apr 2001 12:59:30 +0100 (MEZ), Manfred Usselmann wrote: >But I do not believe that this is a problem only with a German Warp >version because Ctrl+/ (Ctrl+Shift+7) for selecting all messages in a >folder does work for me with Warp 4 German and WSeB German. Right. Selecting all messages works here as well (Strg+Umsch+7, as it is a German keyboard ;-) Andreas -- Andreas Ludwig from the beautiful town of POTSDAM (Germany) using my good old PC and OS/2 WARP 4 ! -- - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Mon Apr 23 18:46:24 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Andreas Ludwig) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 19:46:24 +0200 (MSZ) Subject: [pmmail-list] Ctrl+/ not working under German Warp4 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200104231925.f3NJPY213861@mailsrvc.hrz.uni-oldenburg.de> On Sun, 22 Apr 2001 17:11:58 +0200 (MESZ), R.J. Koester wrote: >you should try [Strg] + the *grey* `÷´ key (international division >character) on the numeric key pad instead of the alphanumeric key. I >think, this is right whenever Ctrl+/ or Ctrl+* is mentioned. Many thanks. Works very well. Andreas -- Andreas Ludwig from the beautiful town of POTSDAM (Germany) using my good old PC and OS/2 WARP 4 ! -- - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Mon Apr 23 18:59:42 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Hannes Streicher) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 19:59:42 +0200 Subject: [pmmail-list] lost mail after system crash Message-ID: <200104231801.f3NI1X211622@mailsrvc.hrz.uni-oldenburg.de> On Mon, 23 Apr 2001 18:30:59 +0200, Martin Jansen wrote: >After this was finally done, I had some duplicate messages >in some folders (to BSW: add a function, that removes duplicates, >__please__). Yes please do , this is _really _ very necessary. -- Mit freundlichen Gruessen Hannes Streicher HStreicher@gmx.de - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Mon Apr 23 19:18:09 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Rich) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 14:18:09 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [pmmail-list] PMMail and network security issue. In-Reply-To: <200104231551.f3NFpcM24931@postal.interaccess.com> Message-ID: <200104231818.OAA56148@smtp02.roc.gblx.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, 23 Apr 2001 10:51:39 -0500 (CDT), Maynard Riley wrote: > >I studied this issue at some length many months ago, and will gladly >report some results here. > >PMMail/2 v2 sends a HELO argument which can be controlled by your HOSTS >file for whatever IP you're using [\mptn\BIN\SETUP.CMD]. Perhaps if it >doesn't find it there it looks elsewhere, presumbaly HOSTNAME in >config.sys PMMail does not get the network computer name and workgroup name from the hosts file! That was the first thing I checked back when I found this problem. I wrote a quick rex file to change the hosts file and change the computer name before an email was sent. It didn't work. My impression is that the hosts file is read ( or the computer name is read from somewhere else, such as the registry on a win machine), and the computer/workgroup names are read when the network requestor is started and can not be dynamically changed afterwards. That's why I don't like the idea of PMMail using the network computer and workgroup name with the 'helo' command. > >I'm also running Weasel, which of course also sends a HELO argument; >though I haven't cared where it finds the value for this purpose, I >presume that it is one of the two sources mentioned above. Maybe, but it's not making it through your server. If you check your own headers, there's no "claiming to be" at the end of the first received line. > >In either case, the entry of that information into email headers is >under the sole control of the SMTP program which receives the message, >be it from PMMail or from Weasel or from Sendmail or whatever. Yes, but the _content_ of the entry is up to PMMail! > >Weasel will add this into the Received line which it generates, when >you use PMMail to send to Weasel, and Weasel to send it outside. > >Changing the value used in your local HOSTS file shouldn't affect other >users on the local network; and would be the easiest way to control the >PMMail HELO output. As I said, the hosts file has nothing to do with PMMail's use of the helo command. I know this for sure because I just checked my win machine and found out that I had forgotten to update the hosts file after makiing a network name change on that computer. PMMail sends the correct name, not the one in the hosts file... The actual second side of this complaint is that I use a half dozen different email accounts with different names, some business and some private. I don't like the idea of PMMail displaying that all these accounts are the same computer and person. With netscape or other email programs that get the helo information from the account setup, all the accounts appear as they should, separate accounts! The alternative is to switch to an ISP that doesn't forward along the helo information, which most apparently do not, or to switch email clients. Oddly enough, I'd rather switch ISP's since PMMail is the only client I can find that runs on both OS/2 and win... But the search is on... > >hth, > > `~Maynard > > > > > >- pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- >To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first >line of the message body being... >UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com > > ****************************************************************************** Practice Random Acts of Kindness and Senseless...Umm...Uhh.... Oh - Heck...I never could remember all that "nice" stuff. - -----------------------------{rich@bearlycomputing.com}------------------------------ ****************************************************************************** -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 5.0 OS/2 for non-commercial use Comment: PGP 5.0 for OS/2 Charset: noconv wj8DBQE65GPHBxPGE7kCCh0RAvY0AJ9EZEBj8Jo5hgKI7yPUeo7FnWPkZACfeR// 3uW5Qy+wyrNtsKz/wyeLbCc= =HWSs -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Mon Apr 23 21:11:04 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (PMMail OS/2 Support) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 17:11:04 -0300 Subject: [pmmail-list] Still long delay when logging on tho SMTP server Message-ID: <200104232026.f3NKQV215365@mailsrvc.hrz.uni-oldenburg.de> On Mon, 23 Apr 2001 19:43:51 +0200 (MSZ), Andreas Ludwig wrote: >It sends without an error. Just takes exactly 67 seconds doing nothing >(saying 'Logging on to SMTP server') Thanks. I'm looking into it. -- Trevor Smith PMMail/2 Technical Support pmmailos2@blueprintsoftwareworks.com - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Mon Apr 23 21:23:23 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Lueko Willms) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 22:23:23 +0200 (MES) Subject: [pmmail-list] lost mail after system crash Message-ID: <14rmrQ-03SD68C@fwd00.sul.t-online.com> On Mon, 23 Apr 2001 19:59:42 +0200, Hannes Streicher wrote: > > >After this was finally done, I had some duplicate messages > >in some folders (to BSW: add a function, that removes duplicates, > >__please__). > > Yes please do , this is _really _ very necessary. > Unfortunately, and to my astonishment, PMMail does not store the message ID in the message index (FOLDER.BAG), other than PMInews which does keep it in the NEWSGRP.BAG. Otherwise it would be quite easy. Since the MessageID is missing, the threading can't be shown. Yours, Lüko Willms Frankfurt/Main / Lueko.Willms@T-Online.de - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Tue Apr 24 00:10:32 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Maynard Riley) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 18:10:32 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [pmmail-list] PMMail and network security issue. In-Reply-To: <200104231818.OAA56148@smtp02.roc.gblx.net> Message-ID: <200104232310.f3NNAV503677@mcfeely.interaccess.com> On Mon, 23 Apr 2001 14:18:09 -0400 (EDT), Rich wrote: >Maybe, but it's not making it through your server. If you check your own headers, there's no "claiming to be" at the >end of the first received line. Rich, I've never seen "claiming to be" anywhere that I recall. Also, my posts to this list do not route through Weasel, but through my ISP. The HELO parameter as passed to both is 'captain', which you can see in the first Received line which is supplied by my ISP. the Received line of Weasel looks quite the same: Received: from captain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by captain (Weasel v1.20) for .... The first 'captain' is the HELO argument supplied by PMMail; the second is Weasel's understanding of the name for its local IP, which I believe it takes from HOSTS, but don't know that for certain. I changed the HOSTS file just now, and sent myself a local message via Weasel. The header now shows: Received: from Was_captain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by captain (Weasel v1.20) Weasel may pick up the change in HOSTS if I restart it; but my version of PMMail/2 (v.2.00.150) picked it up right away. `~Maynard - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Tue Apr 24 01:02:52 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Gene Gough) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 20:02:52 -0400 Subject: [pmmail-list] PMMail and network security issue. In-Reply-To: <200104232310.f3NNAV503677@mcfeely.interaccess.com> Message-ID: <200104240003.UAA23288@maynard.mail.mindspring.net> I just searched my entire TRASH folder and the only "claiming to be" come from Rich . Also, his ID was the only one using PGP that showed up in my trash folder and also had a hit on the word "claim". On Mon, 23 Apr 2001 18:10:32 -0500 (CDT), Maynard Riley wrote: =>On Mon, 23 Apr 2001 14:18:09 -0400 (EDT), Rich wrote: => =>>Maybe, but it's not making it through your server. If you check your own headers, there's no "claiming to be" at the =>>end of the first received line. => =>Rich, I've never seen "claiming to be" anywhere that I recall. Also, my =>posts to this list do not route through Weasel, but through my ISP. => =>The HELO parameter as passed to both is 'captain', which you can see in =>the first Received line which is supplied by my ISP. => =>the Received line of Weasel looks quite the same: => =>Received: from captain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by captain (Weasel =>v1.20) for .... => =>The first 'captain' is the HELO argument supplied by PMMail; the second =>is Weasel's understanding of the name for its local IP, which I believe =>it takes from HOSTS, but don't know that for certain. => =>I changed the HOSTS file just now, and sent myself a local message via =>Weasel. The header now shows: => =>Received: from Was_captain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by captain (Weasel =>v1.20) => =>Weasel may pick up the change in HOSTS if I restart it; but my version =>of PMMail/2 (v.2.00.150) picked it up right away. => => `~Maynard => => => => => =>- pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- =>To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first =>line of the message body being... =>UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com => => => Gene Gough IBM - Retired Marietta, GA Gough Family Page : http://www.goughfamily.com/home/albums.htm Gough History : http://www.goughfamily.com/familytree/goughtree.html Professional Page : http://www.goughfamily.com/resume/software_expert.html - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Tue Apr 24 03:31:59 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Rich) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 22:31:59 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [pmmail-list] PMMail and network security issue. In-Reply-To: <200104240003.UAA23288@maynard.mail.mindspring.net> Message-ID: <200104240232.WAA37258@smtp02.roc.gblx.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, 23 Apr 2001 20:02:52 -0400, Gene Gough wrote: >I just searched my entire TRASH folder and the only "claiming to be" come from Rich >. Also, his ID was the only one using PGP that showed up in my trash folder and >also had a hit on the word "claim". > I just did another search of my folder. I have almost 2300 messages stored in from this list and only two others show up with the "claiming to be" from 'helo'. Received: from dns.franken.de(193.175.24.33), claiming to be "chico.franken.de" Received: from 64-212-27-83.nas1.PHX1.gblx.net(64.212.27.83), claiming to be "TOSHIBA" One of them is from a gblx account like mine. This must be the way the server handles it, but it's still the way PMMail sends it... If BluePrint won't change it, I'll get around it somehow... And since Maynard was kind enough to give Weasel that test (thanks), I could try running that. I found it and downloaded it last night. Doesn't look too difficult to set up, although they admit there are minor inconveniences when running through a dial-up, but it's supposed to work. Then again, that would only work for email I send out of this computer (the OS/2 one). Because the computer/workgroup name would still be sent from the win machines... More to look into.... Thanks... Rich... Rich... > > > >On Mon, 23 Apr 2001 18:10:32 -0500 (CDT), Maynard Riley wrote: > >=>On Mon, 23 Apr 2001 14:18:09 -0400 (EDT), Rich wrote: >=> >=>>Maybe, but it's not making it through your server. If you check your own headers, there's no "claiming to >be" at the >=>>end of the first received line. >=> >=>Rich, I've never seen "claiming to be" anywhere that I recall. Also, my >=>posts to this list do not route through Weasel, but through my ISP. >=> >=>The HELO parameter as passed to both is 'captain', which you can see in >=>the first Received line which is supplied by my ISP. >=> >=>the Received line of Weasel looks quite the same: >=> >=>Received: from captain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by captain (Weasel >=>v1.20) for .... >=> >=>The first 'captain' is the HELO argument supplied by PMMail; the second >=>is Weasel's understanding of the name for its local IP, which I believe >=>it takes from HOSTS, but don't know that for certain. >=> >=>I changed the HOSTS file just now, and sent myself a local message via >=>Weasel. The header now shows: >=> >=>Received: from Was_captain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by captain (Weasel >=>v1.20) >=> >=>Weasel may pick up the change in HOSTS if I restart it; but my version >=>of PMMail/2 (v.2.00.150) picked it up right away. >=> >=> `~Maynard >=> >=> >=> >=> >=> >=>- pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- >=>To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first >=>line of the message body being... >=>UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com >=> >=> >=> > > >Gene Gough IBM - Retired Marietta, GA >Gough Family Page : http://www.goughfamily.com/home/albums.htm >Gough History : http://www.goughfamily.com/familytree/goughtree.html >Professional Page : http://www.goughfamily.com/resume/software_expert.html > > > >- pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- >To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first >line of the message body being... >UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com > > ****************************************************************************** Practice Random Acts of Kindness and Senseless...Umm...Uhh.... Oh - Heck...I never could remember all that "nice" stuff. - -----------------------------{rich@bearlycomputing.com}------------------------------ ****************************************************************************** -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 5.0 OS/2 for non-commercial use Comment: PGP 5.0 for OS/2 Charset: noconv wj8DBQE65NeBBxPGE7kCCh0RAkj+AKCWxbhICCX4fywMZ+wlNmML42SvyQCbBeZa 8XW2/smZPpxzKKbChQkj2gk= =OCFD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Tue Apr 24 03:44:48 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Gregory L. Marx) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 22:44:48 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [pmmail-list] PMInews In-Reply-To: <20010423130838.FDLQ1288938.mtapop2.verizon.net@mail.bmtmicro.com> Message-ID: <200104240249.CAA14345398@smtp7ve.mailsrvcs.net> On Mon, 23 Apr 2001 15:05:05 +0200, Gunnar Anzinger wrote: >Was there ever an update of PMInews after v2.0 was released in 1998? There was a quick update to version 2.1 ... I have it somewhere around here ... Greg - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Tue Apr 24 06:50:36 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Barnabo, Chris) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 01:50:36 -0400 Subject: [pmmail-list] Account pointer/spell check pointer In-Reply-To: <200104202029.QAA18366@spool3.valueweb.net> Message-ID: <200104240550.f3O5oWL18937@smtp.snet.net> Jimmy, you just sparked a thought ... could these keys be used under Win2K to setup completely independent PMMail account structures and address books for different users? I'd like to setup PMMail so that it accesses my usual 6-7 ids when I'm logged on as myself or as admin, but accesses my wife's (completely different) ids when she's logged on. What keys/files/directories/etc. would need to be modified to accomplish this? Thanks! On Fri, 20 Apr 2001 16:10:13 -0400, Jimmy S. McCorquodale, Jr. wrote: >PMMail looks for the addressbook info always in the TOOLS folder, and its location is dependent on where the accounts are located. > >Check the working directory you have set up in your shortcut to PMMail and see that it is pointing to the folder where the accounts are located. With the default installation path this is the 'PMMail 2000' folder. > >Also check the following in the registry > >HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Blueprint Software Works\PMMail > >The key 'Shell Directory' should also be pointing to the same location as the working directory (Once again the default would be the 'PMMail 2000' folder). > >Thanks, > >jimmy -- Chris ________*________ Chris Barnabo, chris@spagnet.com ____________ \_______________/ www.spagnet.com \__________/ / / __\ \_______/ /__ "The heck with the Prime Directive, \_______________/(- let's destroy something!" - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Tue Apr 24 07:22:45 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Frank Winkler @home) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 08:22:45 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [pmmail-list] PMInews In-Reply-To: <200104240249.CAA14345398@smtp7ve.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <200104240729.JAA30188@vscanner.bb.consol.de> On Mon, 23 Apr 2001 22:44:48 -0400 (EDT), Gregory L. Marx wrote: >>Was there ever an update of PMInews after v2.0 was released in 1998? > >There was a quick update to version 2.1 ... >I have it somewhere around here ... Are you sure that there is a 2.1? I'm running 2.00.1205 and alwayd thought it's the most current version. Can you please send the 2.1 package to me? I'd be strongly interested in further development of PMINews and could contribute a list of bugs and feature proposals :) ... Regards -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Frank Winkler frank@consol.de ConSol GmbH Franziskanerstr. 38 Voice +49 89 45841.275 81669 Munich - Germany Fax +49 89 45841.189 - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Tue Apr 24 08:07:22 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Brian Morrison) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 08:07:22 +0100 (BST) Subject: [pmmail-list] PMInews In-Reply-To: <200104240249.CAA14345398@smtp7ve.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <200104240807.00000BSI@fenrir.demon.co.uk> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, 23 Apr 2001 22:44:48 -0400 (EDT), Gregory L. Marx wrote: >On Mon, 23 Apr 2001 15:05:05 +0200, Gunnar Anzinger wrote: > > > >>Was there ever an update of PMInews after v2.0 was released in 1998? > >There was a quick update to version 2.1 ... >I have it somewhere around here ... I think you'll find it was 2.00.1200 when released, then a few bug fixes came along to give 2.00.1205 (there was a build 1201 as well) - -- Brian Morrison bdm@fenrir.org.uk "Almost noon, and she had yet to go the launderette in Concreton to thaw out chickens in the spin-drier..." -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 5.0i OS/2 for non-commercial use Comment: This comment _is_ plain text Charset: cp850 iQA/AwUBOuUmKvQTY1HeMuXFEQKZFwCgsCuq1AKOuENgV5vxRR0FeiD+M+AAoNxs hbEWjaEq0MSALZS//zXoYyE7 =N2x0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Tue Apr 24 12:05:42 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Andreas Ludwig) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 13:05:42 +0200 (MSZ) Subject: [pmmail-list] PMInews In-Reply-To: <200104240249.CAA14345398@smtp7ve.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <200104241203.f3OC3A222910@mailsrvc.hrz.uni-oldenburg.de> On Mon, 23 Apr 2001 22:44:48 -0400 (EDT), Gregory L. Marx wrote: >>Was there ever an update of PMInews after v2.0 was released in 1998? > >There was a quick update to version 2.1 ... >I have it somewhere around here ... Really? I thought I had the latest with 2.00.1200 from 1998. Would be cool. Anything changed/fixed in 2.1? Best regards Andreas Ludwig -- Andreas Ludwig from the beautiful town of POTSDAM (Germany) using my good old PC and OS/2 WARP 4 ! -- - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Tue Apr 24 15:39:09 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Stan Doda) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 10:39:09 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [pmmail-list] How to select multiple attachments In-Reply-To: <200104211657.JAA16376@home.humboldt1.com> Message-ID: <200104241440.KAA23752@granite.sentex.net> I frequently get emails with many attachments, [drawing files]. Dragging and dropping each one individually takes time, exasperated by waiting for the decoding to be done after each file. Is there a way to select all attachments for drag and drop? TIA Stan Doda dodas@sentex.net - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Tue Apr 24 16:00:59 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (PMMail OS/2 Support) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 12:00:59 -0300 Subject: [pmmail-list] How to select multiple attachments In-Reply-To: <200104241440.KAA23752@granite.sentex.net> Message-ID: <200104241509.f3OF92206484@mailsrvc.hrz.uni-oldenburg.de> On Tue, 24 Apr 2001 10:39:09 -0400 (EDT), Stan Doda wrote: >Is there a way to select all attachments for drag and drop? Not at this time. -- Trevor Smith PMMail/2 Technical Support pmmailos2@blueprintsoftwareworks.com - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Tue Apr 24 18:12:55 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Kenneth Porter) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 10:12:55 -0700 Subject: [pmmail-list] Forums back up In-Reply-To: <200104211247.IAA16877@granger.mail.mindspring.net> Message-ID: <200104241712.KAA25955@mail.well.com> On Sat, 21 Apr 2001 08:47:09 -0400, Gene Gough wrote: >This is a decision that affects all of us and I for one do NOT want a newsgroup. Why not? Do you prefer the web board or a mailing list? I hate web boards, as I usually must wait for a page to refresh in my browser everytime I switch between the message list and the contents of a message. Broadband makes it slightly less painful, but it's still tedious compared to just switching panes in a newsreader. I suppose a better-designed web board could alleviate that, but I have yet to see one that's satisfactorily responsive. >On Fri, 20 Apr 2001 19:49:42 -0700, Kenneth Porter wrote: >=>Any chance you can go to newsgroups? I much prefer the speed of a >=>newsreader over a webboard, and prefer the threading of a newsgroup >=>over the single-threaded look that PMMail gives a mailing list. On Sat, 21 Apr 2001 21:43:00 +0200 (MES), Lueko Willms wrote: > In case you (Kenneth Porter) want a newsgroup, please stop quoting >with the equal sign. It doesn't add anything useful to your messages, >on the contrary. And in newsgroups it will draw a lot of flames >against you for violating the netiquette. I'm well aware of that. As you can see, those were Gene's quotes of my message. (I use Xnews (http://xnews.3dnews.net), which enforces the ">" as quote character by only recognizing that for quote-coloring.) Ken mailto:shiva@well.com http://www.sewingwitch.com/ken/ [If answering a mailing list posting, please don't cc me your reply. I'll take my answer on the list.] - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Tue Apr 24 18:30:51 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Gunnar Anzinger) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 19:30:51 +0200 Subject: [pmmail-list] Quoting In-Reply-To: <200104241712.KAA25955@mail.well.com> Message-ID: <200104241732.f3OHWf213704@mailsrvc.hrz.uni-oldenburg.de> On Tue, 24 Apr 2001 10:12:55 -0700, Kenneth Porter wrote: > > In case you (Kenneth Porter) want a newsgroup, please stop quoting > > with the equal sign. It doesn't add anything useful to your messages, > > on the contrary. And in newsgroups it will draw a lot of flames > > against you for violating the netiquette. I agree that any quoting sign different from ">" is a bad idea and should be avoided, in mail as well as in news. > I'm well aware of that. As you can see, those were Gene's quotes of my > message. (I use Xnews (http://xnews.3dnews.net), which enforces the ">" > as quote character by only recognizing that for quote-coloring.) Is there any chance that PMMail will support quote-coloring soon? I would really like to see that. Bye, Gunnar - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Tue Apr 24 19:57:56 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Anders Jarnberg) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 20:57:56 +0200 (DST) Subject: [pmmail-list] Moving accounts ? Message-ID: <20010424190324.TYBE1449.mf1@ad.doubleclick.net> Dear all, I have an account A with an old ISP I've just gotten an account B at a new ISP. Now, I want to move over my maling list subscriptions to that ISP, which also means I want to copy the folders, filters and more from account A to account B in PMMail (OS/2). Is it as easy as just doing an XCOPY on the subdirs under account A to account B, or is there some more complicated magic that has to take place ? -- Anders Jarnberg Stockholm, Sweden ...Merlin & Mandrake... - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Tue Apr 24 20:09:40 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Stan Doda) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 15:09:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [pmmail-list] How to select multiple attachments In-Reply-To: <200104241548.RAA27352@rosi.szbk.u-szeged.hu> Message-ID: <200104241910.PAA02868@granite.sentex.net> On Tue, 24 Apr 2001 17:45:12 -0400 (EDT), Bagyinka, Csaba wrote: >> On Tue, 24 Apr 2001 10:39:09 -0400 (EDT), Stan Doda wrote: >> >> >Is there a way to select all attachments for drag and drop? >> >> Not at this time. >> >I also have put this question long before and got a good suggestion. > >You can use a filter for this. Define it as a manual filter. Define a >directory where you want to extract the attachment files and define the >filter accordingly. Then while you are on the message use that filter. >It will extract all attachments into predefined directory. This is a >bypass but works. Thanks, I will give this a shot. It's just that its not the way I work with the WPS, I have lots of target directories each with several subfolders. Would be nice to be able to select partially or fully... Stan Doda dodas@sentex.net - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Tue Apr 24 20:09:41 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Gene Gough) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 15:09:41 -0400 Subject: [pmmail-list] Forums back up In-Reply-To: <200104241712.KAA25955@mail.well.com> Message-ID: <200104241909.PAA29949@mclean.mail.mindspring.net> I suspect a large part of it is the way a person reads the data. I like web boards as I don't return to the index. I have my preferences set up to reverse cron and start at the oldest and work toward the newest with the next button. If desired I can also go by thread but I seldom do that. I find mailing list the most convenient but don't like the tons of e-mail that they cause. Will will not be bothered to use a news group, many are very hard to configure if possible at all and it is yet one more method to access data. Perhaps my dislike comes from many years ago when lines were slow (1200) and news groups were the only way to communicate in groups. Hated it then, still do. On Tue, 24 Apr 2001 10:12:55 -0700, Kenneth Porter wrote: =>>This is a decision that affects all of us and I for one do NOT want a newsgroup. => =>Why not? Do you prefer the web board or a mailing list? => =>I hate web boards, as I usually must wait for a page to refresh in my =>browser everytime I switch between the message list and the contents of =>a message. Broadband makes it slightly less painful, but it's still =>tedious compared to just switching panes in a newsreader. I suppose a =>better-designed web board could alleviate that, but I have yet to see =>one that's satisfactorily responsive. => Gene Gough IBM - Retired Marietta, GA Gough Family Page : http://www.goughfamily.com/home/albums.htm Gough History : http://www.goughfamily.com/familytree/goughtree.html Professional Page : http://www.goughfamily.com/resume/software_expert.html - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Tue Apr 24 20:14:08 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Gene Gough) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 15:14:08 -0400 Subject: [pmmail-list] Quoting In-Reply-To: <200104241332.tebe5q.n1p.37kbi1v@osgood.mail.mindspring.net> Message-ID: <200104241914.PAA22364@johnson.mail.mindspring.net> Yet another reason to stay away from news groups. Not that they don't like any netiquette but their own, but that they tend to flame much more. And who is it that sets up the "netiquette"? That is like the mini war we had in this forum about quote or comment first.... ummm, will not start that one again. BUT, if someone can give me a technical or other GOOD reason I should remove the = from my quoted characters, let me know and I will consider it. So picky, picky, picky... GRIN On Tue, 24 Apr 2001 19:30:51 +0200, Gunnar Anzinger wrote: =>> > In case you (Kenneth Porter) want a newsgroup, please stop quoting =>> > with the equal sign. It doesn't add anything useful to your messages, =>> > on the contrary. And in newsgroups it will draw a lot of flames =>> > against you for violating the netiquette. Gene Gough IBM - Retired Marietta, GA Gough Family Page : http://www.goughfamily.com/home/albums.htm Gough History : http://www.goughfamily.com/familytree/goughtree.html Professional Page : http://www.goughfamily.com/resume/software_expert.html - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Tue Apr 24 20:59:26 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Kenneth Porter) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 12:59:26 -0700 Subject: [pmmail-list] Newsgroup vs. Webboard In-Reply-To: <200104241914.PAA22364@johnson.mail.mindspring.net> Message-ID: <200104241959.MAA09476@mail.well.com> On Tue, 24 Apr 2001 15:14:08 -0400, Gene Gough wrote: >Yet another reason to stay away from news groups. Not that they don't like any netiquette but >their own, but that they tend to flame much more. OTOH, flames can easily be ignored on a newsgroup, and a good newsreader will have buttons for killing flame threads and the flamers that create them. PMMail lacks a "plonk" button for that. I tend not to notice flaming in newsgroups because either the subject lines are easily recognized and skipped (by entire thread) or the flamers are in my killfile. I read a web board on http://www.techrepublic.com (discussion of network administration articles) and there are occasional flame wars, esp. in Linux vs. Windows threads. Because of the awkward interface, I can't easily collapse and ignore flame threads within larger discussions, so I end up tossing the whole discussion. >And who is it that sets up the "netiquette"? In public newgroups, the participants, as you would expect in a decentralized anarchy. In private newsgroups (eg. a support group on a private server), it's generally the server's admin. Ken mailto:shiva@well.com http://www.sewingwitch.com/ken/ [If answering a mailing list posting, please don't cc me your reply. I'll take my answer on the list.] - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Tue Apr 24 21:04:53 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (PMMail OS/2 Support) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 17:04:53 -0300 Subject: [pmmail-list] Moving accounts ? In-Reply-To: <20010424190324.TYBE1449.mf1@ad.doubleclick.net> Message-ID: <200104242012.f3OKCp218525@mailsrvc.hrz.uni-oldenburg.de> On Tue, 24 Apr 2001 20:57:56 +0200 (DST), Anders Jarnberg wrote: > >I have an account A with an old ISP >I've just gotten an account B at a new ISP. > >Now, I want to move over my maling list subscriptions >to that ISP, which also means I want to copy the folders, >filters and more from account A to account B in PMMail (OS/2). > >Is it as easy as just doing an XCOPY on the subdirs under >account A to account B, or is there some more complicated >magic that has to take place ? It's not that simple. Canned replies and other files may have references to actual hard drive directories in them. There is no easy way to do what you want and be sure it will work. I would recommend carefully inspecting your files if you are serious about copying them over. -- Trevor Smith PMMail/2 Technical Support pmmailos2@blueprintsoftwareworks.com - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Tue Apr 24 21:19:54 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Bruce Francis) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 16:19:54 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [pmmail-list] Moving accounts ? In-Reply-To: <20010424201242.E82A87A155@mate.pobox.com> Message-ID: <20010424201946.6FC643258D@scribe.pobox.com> On Tue, 24 Apr 2001 17:04:53 -0300, PMMail OS/2 Support wrote: >On Tue, 24 Apr 2001 20:57:56 +0200 (DST), Anders Jarnberg wrote: >>I have an account A with an old ISP >>I've just gotten an account B at a new ISP. >>Now, I want to move over my maling list subscriptions A good way of doing this (outside of PMMail) is to subscribe to an email forwarding service. There are some free ones; I use an inexpensive one. When you change ISPs, all you have to do is change the forwarding address with the service. You don't have to change business cards, send email change messages to all your friends, unsub/resub to email lists, etc.... --- Bruce Francis BFrancis@pobox.com For PGP Public key: email with Subject "BFrancis Public Key" ________________________________________________________ - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Tue Apr 24 21:39:22 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Rodney R. Korte) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 16:39:22 -0400 Subject: [pmmail-list] Quoting In-Reply-To: <200104241914.PAA22364@johnson.mail.mindspring.net> Message-ID: <200104242041.QAA46554@f04n07.cac.psu.edu> On Tue, 24 Apr 2001 15:14:08 -0400, Gene Gough wrote: [...] >BUT, if someone can give me a technical or other GOOD reason I should remove the = from my quoted >characters, let me know and I will consider it. So picky, picky, picky... GRIN Of course, "GOOD" is in the eye of the beholder, but IMO, only ONE character is required, and therefore one should be used. Which character to use is worthy of discussion, and most people would agree that it shouldn't be alphanumeric; something like ">", which actually "points" the reader to someone else's statement. Both of these conventions are what the majority of people use; therefore when you insert something strange, it makes your point harder to ascertain. >On Tue, 24 Apr 2001 19:30:51 +0200, Gunnar Anzinger wrote: > >=>> > In case you (Kenneth Porter) want a newsgroup, please stop quoting >=>> > with the equal sign. It doesn't add anything useful to your messages, >=>> > on the contrary. And in newsgroups it will draw a lot of flames >=>> > against you for violating the netiquette. For example, in the above, how many levels of quotes are there? I happen to know that you use "=>" since this is what we are discussing, but I might just as easily conclude that you use "=>>" or that I use ">=>" or ">=". Rodney -- Rodney R. Korte Applied Research Laboratory The Pennsylvania State University rkorte@psu.edu Voice: 814-863-0817 Fax: 814-865-7303 http://www.personal.psu.edu/rrk102 - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Tue Apr 24 22:45:12 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Bagyinka, Csaba) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 17:45:12 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [pmmail-list] How to select multiple attachments In-Reply-To: <19E87DF54BB@nucleus.szbk.u-szeged.hu> Message-ID: <200104241548.RAA27352@rosi.szbk.u-szeged.hu> On Tue, 24 Apr 2001 12:00:59 -0300, PMMail OS/2 Support wrote: > On Tue, 24 Apr 2001 10:39:09 -0400 (EDT), Stan Doda wrote: > > >Is there a way to select all attachments for drag and drop? > > Not at this time. > I also have put this question long before and got a good suggestion. You can use a filter for this. Define it as a manual filter. Define a directory where you want to extract the attachment files and define the filter accordingly. Then while you are on the message use that filter. It will extract all attachments into predefined directory. This is a bypass but works. Csaba Bagyinka - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Wed Apr 25 00:03:09 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Gregory L. Marx) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 19:03:09 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [pmmail-list] Moving accounts ? In-Reply-To: <20010424190324.TYBE1449.mf1@ad.doubleclick.net> Message-ID: <200104242302.XAA14547644@smtp6ve.mailsrvcs.net> On Tue, 24 Apr 2001 20:57:56 +0200 (DST), Anders Jarnberg wrote: Just open PMMail up and literally drag-n-drop from account "A" to account "B" ... I just had to do this when I moved from a dial-up to DSL account ... Easy as pie ... Greg PS - If you do an xcopy outside of PMMail, remember to re-index your messages !!! Otherwise they won't show up and it will look like they were never copied over ... >Dear all, > >I have an account A with an old ISP >I've just gotten an account B at a new ISP. > >Now, I want to move over my maling list subscriptions >to that ISP, which also means I want to copy the folders, >filters and more from account A to account B in PMMail (OS/2). > >Is it as easy as just doing an XCOPY on the subdirs under >account A to account B, or is there some more complicated >magic that has to take place ? > > > > >-- >Anders Jarnberg >Stockholm, Sweden >...Merlin & Mandrake... > >- pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- >To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first >line of the message body being... >UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com > > - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Wed Apr 25 00:06:07 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Gregory L. Marx) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 19:06:07 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [pmmail-list] Forums back up In-Reply-To: <200104241909.PAA29949@mclean.mail.mindspring.net> Message-ID: <200104242317.XAA25722171@smtp4ve.mailsrvcs.net> On Tue, 24 Apr 2001 15:09:41 -0400, Gene Gough wrote: >Will will not be bothered to use a news group, many are very hard to configure if possible at all and it is yet one >more method to access data. Perhaps my dislike comes from many years ago when lines were slow (1200) and >news groups were the only way to communicate in groups. Hated it then, still do. Wow Gene ... I'm certainly glad for your sake that Craig is researching all THREE methods of message access for eCS's website ... Personally, I much much prefer newsgroup access over all others ... Isn't diversity a GOOD thing ??? Greg - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Wed Apr 25 02:01:05 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (John Wirt) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 21:01:05 -0400 Subject: [pmmail-list] PMMail 2.20 as a bulk mailer? In-Reply-To: <200104231818.OAA56148@smtp02.roc.gblx.net> Message-ID: <200104242100190.SM00192@client656nt.toward.com> I run a neighborhood email network on crime and quality of life issues in Wash, DC. People like it. There are about 300 subscribers. I would like to distribute messages to subscribers so that each person gets individually addressed messages--that is, not messages where all 300 subscribers are listed in the To: field. Can I do this with PMMail? How? Currently I have written an elaborate Rexx program to accomplish the task. The program reads the address book and mails a message to be sent out individually to each person. This is possible using the PMMSend program that comes with PMMail for OS/2. PMMail for Windows does appear to have this program. I woudl rather have a simple method of accomplishing my goal than the complicated Rexx program anyway. Thank you for any assistance. John Wirt - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Wed Apr 25 02:52:49 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Gene Gough) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 21:52:49 -0400 Subject: [pmmail-list] Quoting In-Reply-To: <200104242041.QAA46554@f04n07.cac.psu.edu> Message-ID: <200104250152.VAA31992@mclean.mail.mindspring.net> Valid point. See below. On Tue, 24 Apr 2001 16:39:22 -0400, Rodney R. Korte wrote: >For example, in the above, how many levels of quotes are there? I happen >to know that you use "=>" since this is what we are discussing, but I might >just as easily conclude that you use "=>>" or that I use ">=>" or ">=". > >Rodney > Gene Gough IBM - Retired Marietta, GA Gough Family Page : http://www.goughfamily.com/home/albums.htm Gough History : http://www.goughfamily.com/familytree/goughtree.html Professional Page : http://www.goughfamily.com/resume/software_expert.html - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Wed Apr 25 02:55:41 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Gene Gough) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 21:55:41 -0400 Subject: [pmmail-list] Forums back up In-Reply-To: <200104242317.XAA25722171@smtp4ve.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <200104250155.VAA32627@barry.mail.mindspring.net> Greg, Yep, sure would be a boring world if we were all the same. On Tue, 24 Apr 2001 19:06:07 -0400 (EDT), Gregory L. Marx wrote: >Personally, I much much prefer newsgroup access over all others ... >Isn't diversity a GOOD thing ??? > Gene Gough IBM - Retired Marietta, GA Gough Family Page : http://www.goughfamily.com/home/albums.htm Gough History : http://www.goughfamily.com/familytree/goughtree.html Professional Page : http://www.goughfamily.com/resume/software_expert.html - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Wed Apr 25 04:23:15 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Dave in Phoenix AZ) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 20:23:15 -0700 Subject: [pmmail-list] PMMail 2.20 as a bulk mailer? In-Reply-To: <200104242100190.SM00192@client656nt.toward.com> Message-ID: <20010425032007.JPZJ26880.mail1.rdc1.az.home.com@cx370998-a> Am I missing something or why can't you send bcc? I do it every week to a private list of about 500 Phoenix people for sexwork.com, and I use to have 1500 on another mailing list (libchrist.com) up to 1997 before the website had newsletters etc instead of the mailings. The only concern is back when I had 1500 (was using older PMMAIL for OS/2 vs current Win version) is that I had to break the list down into groups of about 250 names - a real pain - or many E-mails would disappear in cyperspace with no return. After talking to ISP it seemed somehow "blew the bcc buffer" but not clear if this was a Pmmail problem or the smpt server of ISP. Also the mailings were newsletters often 150k. My current 500 list is now divided in half in case that is still a problem but reaching that 250 level again. Weekly mailings typically only 25K but some have been closer to 100k. Dave, Liberated Christians, Phoenix AZ Swinging, Polyamory Resource Center at http://www.libchrist.com Promoting Intimacy and Other-Centered Loving Sexuality Sybian for women and Venus for Men's sexual pleasure - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Wed Apr 25 05:58:18 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Lueko Willms) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 06:58:18 +0200 (MES) Subject: [pmmail-list] Quoting In-Reply-To: <200104241914.PAA22364@johnson.mail.mindspring.net> Message-ID: <14sHXX-0dqzTsC@fwd06.sul.t-online.com> On Tue, 24 Apr 2001 15:14:08 -0400, Gene Gough wrote: > BUT, if someone can give me a technical or other GOOD reason I should remove the = from my quoted > characters, let me know and I will consider it. So picky, picky, picky... GRIN Dear Gene Gough, I am sorry for being so picky. There is certainly no technical reason. It is a question of style. It makes it awkward to read - just look at it below: > > On Tue, 24 Apr 2001 19:30:51 +0200, Gunnar Anzinger wrote: > > =>> > In case you (Kenneth Porter) want a newsgroup, please stop quoting > =>> > with the equal sign. It doesn't add anything useful to your messages, > =>> > on the contrary. And in newsgroups it will draw a lot of flames > =>> > against you for violating the netiquette. I wrote this because get flamed a lot, since I use another feature in the NetNews: my newsreader inserts the initials of the person being quoted, so that errors in the attribution of the quote to you or Kenneth Porter are minimized. Yours, Lüko Willms Frankfurt/Main / Lueko.Willms@T-Online.de - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Wed Apr 25 06:08:54 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Lueko Willms) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 07:08:54 +0200 (MES) Subject: [pmmail-list] PMMail 2.20 as a bulk mailer? Message-ID: <14sHXY-0dqzTtC@fwd06.sul.t-online.com> On Tue, 24 Apr 2001 21:01:05 -0400, John Wirt wrote: > I run a neighborhood email network on crime and quality of life > issues in Wash, DC. People like it. Aha. I guess you are observing the White House. > I would like to distribute messages to subscribers so that each > person gets individually addressed messages--that is, not messages > where all 300 subscribers are listed in the To: field. Can I do this > with PMMail? How? 1. Have all those addresses in one address book or one group. 2. Give your distribution list a name which is neither the name of an address book or a group, otherwise addressing to these would add all those addresses into the message at compose time. 3. Define a filter with the action "distribute to address book" or "distribute to group" and which is triggered by your distribution list's name in the H.TO field (h.to = "MyDistribution"). This will result in sending out individual messages to each address in the book or group. Take care you have an ISP which does not impose a limit on the number of messages sent per day. Lüko Willms Frankfurt/Main / Lueko.Willms@T-Online.de - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Wed Apr 25 06:40:58 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Lueko Willms) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 07:40:58 +0200 (MES) Subject: [pmmail-list] PMMail 2.20 as a bulk mailer? In-Reply-To: <14sHXY-0dqzTtC@fwd06.sul.t-online.com> Message-ID: <14sI2R-1Kc5zsC@fwd02.sul.t-online.com> One more detail: On Wed, 25 Apr 2001 07:08:54 +0200 (MES), Lueko Willms wrote: > 3. Define a filter with the action "distribute to address book" or > "distribute to group" and which is triggered by your distribution > list's name in the H.TO field (h.to = "MyDistribution"). This will > result in sending out individual messages to each address in the book > or group. I forgot to mention that it should be configured as an "Outgoing Filter (Pre-Send)" Lüko Willms Frankfurt/Main / Lueko.Willms@T-Online.de - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Wed Apr 25 07:57:53 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Hannes Hromadka) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 08:57:53 +0200 Subject: [pmmail-list] Quoting In-Reply-To: <200104241914.PAA22364@johnson.mail.mindspring.net> Message-ID: <200104250659.IAA26394@scesie13.sie.siemens.at> On Tue, 24 Apr 2001 15:14:08 -0400, Gene Gough wrote: >BUT, if someone can give me a technical or other GOOD reason I should remove the = from my quoted >characters, let me know and I will consider it. So picky, picky, picky... GRIN It can mess up the message if a mailer on the way of the mail modifies the MIME headers and changes it to quoted printable. Some programs do that very badly and forget to convert some characters in the mail body. Then your = would cause the next 2 chars to be interprated as hex value. Greetings from Vienna Hannes -- Johannes Hromadka | Email Office: Hannes@tnsbs4.sie.siemens.at | Home : Johannes.Hromadka@gmx.net Vienna/Austria/Europe | OECC: http://www.oecc.org/ ----- >>> Rust never sleeps (borrowed from Neil YOUNG) <<< - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Wed Apr 25 08:40:24 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (John Bijnens) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 09:40:24 +0200 (CDT) Subject: [pmmail-list] PMMail 2.20 as a bulk mailer? In-Reply-To: <200104242100190.SM00192@client656nt.toward.com> Message-ID: <200104250813.KAA23611@khlimmer.khlim.be> I do it much the same way you do. Here at work, I need people to get notified when a there is a new antivirus update. Every employee (about 218) of our organisation (spread over different locations) has his own login/password on our ftpserver (FtpServer of Peter Moylan). I've written a couple of C-programs that generate personalized emails (with the individual ftp links, ...). I'm also using PMMSend for this purpose. Now when there is a new update, this update is uploaded to our server and all emails are generated in a matter of minutes. I've searched for other methods but wasn't able to find one that was as flexible and easy to use as my current way of working. Best regards, John Bijnens On Tue, 24 Apr 2001 21:01:05 -0400, John Wirt wrote: >I run a neighborhood email network on crime and quality of life >issues in Wash, DC. People like it. There are about 300 subscribers. > >I would like to distribute messages to subscribers so that each >person gets individually addressed messages--that is, not messages >where all 300 subscribers are listed in the To: field. Can I do this >with PMMail? How? > >Currently I have written an elaborate Rexx program to accomplish the >task. The program reads the address book and mails a message to be >sent out individually to each person. This is possible using the >PMMSend program that comes with PMMail for OS/2. PMMail for Windows >does appear to have this program. I woudl rather have a simple method >of accomplishing my goal than the complicated Rexx program anyway. > >Thank you for any assistance. > >John Wirt > >- pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- >To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first >line of the message body being... >UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com > > - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Wed Apr 25 10:44:00 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (PMMail OS/2 Support) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 06:44:00 -0300 Subject: [pmmail-list] PMMail 2.20 as a bulk mailer? In-Reply-To: <14sI2R-1Kc5zsC@fwd02.sul.t-online.com> Message-ID: <200104250949.f3P9nF215056@mailsrvc.hrz.uni-oldenburg.de> On Wed, 25 Apr 2001 07:40:58 +0200 (MES), Lueko Willms wrote: > I forgot to mention that it should be configured as an "Outgoing >Filter (Pre-Send)" I suppose, if I understand your method correctly, you would also want the filter's last action to be to delete the original message so PMMail does not attempt to send it to the "address" in the To: field, since that "address" is actually just a keyword to trigger the filter, not an actual email address, or address book or group name. Right? Interesting idea, btw! I had never thought of this type of filter. But all it does is add the addresses to the Bcc: line, which can be accomplished without the filter. -- Trevor Smith PMMail/2 Technical Support pmmailos2@blueprintsoftwareworks.com - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Wed Apr 25 12:02:57 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Lueko Willms) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 13:02:57 +0200 (MES) Subject: [pmmail-list] PMMail 2.20 as a bulk mailer? Message-ID: <14sN4r-214VBgC@fwd06.sul.t-online.com> On Wed, 25 Apr 2001 06:44:00 -0300, PMMail OS/2 Support wrote: > On Wed, 25 Apr 2001 07:40:58 +0200 (MES), Lueko Willms wrote: > > > I forgot to mention that it should be configured as an "Outgoing > >Filter (Pre-Send)" > > Interesting idea, btw! I had never thought of this type of filter. > But all it does is add the addresses to the Bcc: line, which can be > accomplished without the filter. I thought that this was the purpose of those filter actions, "Distribute to {Book|group}". Together with the actions "{Add|Remove} from {address book|Group}" one can establish a mailing list with automated adding and removing recipients by themselves. Using the Distribution filter, one can redirect incoming messages for the mailing list right to the mailing list distribution. Maybe the filter's trigger should be changed to the address of the distribution list in the TO: line. > I suppose, if I understand your method correctly, you would also want > the filter's last action to be to delete the original message so > PMMail does not attempt to send it to the "address" in the To: field, > since that "address" is actually just a keyword to trigger the > filter, not an actual email address, or address book or group name. > > Right? Maybe. I just tried this out last Saturday for the first time and I not yet very firm in it. Yours, Lüko Willms Frankfurt/Main / Lueko.Willms@T-Online.de - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Wed Apr 25 14:36:53 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Andreas Neubauer) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 15:36:53 +0200 Subject: [pmmail-list] Deleted trash-folder Message-ID: <200104251337.PAA23753@backup01.igeneon.intra> Hi, I have the problem that one of our users deleted the trash folder in his account. Does anybody know if there is an easy way to create a new functional tray-folder ? To my opinion it should not be possible so easily to delete system folders. Andreas Neubauer -- IT Coordinator IGENEON AG Brunner Straße 59 / Objekt 5 1230 Vienna Austria Tel: +43 1 869 8050-267 Fax: +43 1 869 8050-289 http://www.igeneon.com - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Wed Apr 25 20:25:30 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Kenneth Porter) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 12:25:30 -0700 Subject: [pmmail-list] PMMail 2.20 as a bulk mailer? In-Reply-To: <200104250949.CAA01726@smtp.well.com> Message-ID: <200104251925.MAA09613@mail.well.com> On Wed, 25 Apr 2001 06:44:00 -0300, PMMail OS/2 Support wrote: >Interesting idea, btw! I had never thought of this type of filter. >But all it does is add the addresses to the Bcc: line, which can be >accomplished without the filter. Which reminds me, it would be nice to be able to send to only the Bcc list, and either leave To empty or with only a dummy name. Currently I put myself in the To item just to make PMMPro happy. Ken mailto:shiva@well.com http://www.sewingwitch.com/ken/ [If answering a mailing list posting, please don't cc me your reply. I'll take my answer on the list.] - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Thu Apr 26 00:06:43 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (PMMail OS/2 Support) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 20:06:43 -0300 Subject: [pmmail-list] PMMail 2.20 as a bulk mailer? In-Reply-To: <200104251925.MAA09613@mail.well.com> Message-ID: <200104252309.f3PN9m202148@mailsrvc.hrz.uni-oldenburg.de> On Wed, 25 Apr 2001 12:25:30 -0700, Kenneth Porter wrote: >Which reminds me, it would be nice to be able to send to only the Bcc >list, and either leave To empty or with only a dummy name. Currently I >put myself in the To item just to make PMMPro happy. Ken, I don't think it is conformant to Internet standards to have a blank To: field. If the To: field contains a dummy name, the server will bounce it back to you. -- Trevor Smith PMMail/2 Technical Support pmmailos2@blueprintsoftwareworks.com - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Thu Apr 26 00:50:51 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (John Thompson) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 19:50:51 -0400 (CDT) Subject: [pmmail-list] Forums back up In-Reply-To: <200104241712.KAA25955@mail.well.com> Message-ID: <200104260051.f3Q0pe203498@mailsrvc.hrz.uni-oldenburg.de> On Tue, 24 Apr 2001 10:12:55 -0700, Kenneth Porter wrote: >I hate web boards, as I usually must wait for a page to refresh in my >browser everytime I switch between the message list and the contents of >a message. Broadband makes it slightly less painful, but it's still >tedious compared to just switching panes in a newsreader. I suppose a >better-designed web board could alleviate that, but I have yet to see >one that's satisfactorily responsive. I agree. What was wrong with nntp that everybody decided to go to this web-based discussion group nonsense instead? I suspect it's a matter of fashion: if it's not web-based it must not be good or some similarly faulty reasoning. I have nothing against the WWW, but it's not God's own answer to every question possible. For text-based discussion you still can't beat nntp. -- John (john.thompson@attglobal.net) - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Thu Apr 26 00:53:05 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Kenneth Porter) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 16:53:05 -0700 Subject: [pmmail-list] PMMail 2.20 as a bulk mailer? In-Reply-To: <200104252310.QAA20871@smtp.well.com> Message-ID: <200104252353.QAA05392@mail.well.com> On Wed, 25 Apr 2001 20:06:43 -0300, PMMail OS/2 Support wrote: >Ken, I don't think it is conformant to Internet standards to have a >blank To: field. If the To: field contains a dummy name, the server >will bounce it back to you. I get mail all the time with either no To field at all or an empty one. Note that SMTP servers use the recipient address in the envelope, not the message header, to deliver mail. When you send BCC, the message is submitted once for each BCC recipient, with the recipient's name passed in the envelope but not in the message header. You may be correct that a missing To is not RFC-compliant. If that's the case, then one can put a dummy value like "recipient name suppressed" in there. I suppose the value could be a configuration option. Note the To field in this message. It gets to you even though it says pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com. The To field is *not* used for routing. It's only used by the initial user agent to figure out what to put in the envelope recipient argument when talking to the SMTP server. Ken mailto:shiva@well.com http://www.sewingwitch.com/ken/ [If answering a mailing list posting, please don't cc me your reply. I'll take my answer on the list.] - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Thu Apr 26 02:13:12 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Kenneth Porter) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 18:13:12 -0700 Subject: [pmmail-list] Forums back up In-Reply-To: <200104260052.RAA24956@smtp.well.com> Message-ID: <200104260113.SAA04924@mail.well.com> On Wed, 25 Apr 2001 19:50:51 -0400 (CDT), John Thompson wrote: >What was wrong with nntp that everybody decided to go to this >web-based discussion group nonsense instead? That's an easy one. You can't force ads on people with NNTP. ;-) (Well, you can, but they're easier to filter.) Plus, mere text is too difficult for the mouse potato generation. The web only became as popular as it is because it let non-technical people look at pictures instead of reading text. Ken mailto:shiva@well.com http://www.sewingwitch.com/ken/ [If answering a mailing list posting, please don't cc me your reply. I'll take my answer on the list.] - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Thu Apr 26 04:59:12 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (John Wirt) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 23:59:12 -0400 Subject: [pmmail-list] PMMail 2.20 as a bulk mailer? In-Reply-To: <20010425032007.JPZJ26880.mail1.rdc1.az.home.com@cx370998-a> Message-ID: <200104252358373.SM00192@client656nt.toward.com> On Tue, 24 Apr 2001 20:23:15 -0700, Dave in Phoenix AZ wrote: >The only concern is back when I had 1500 (was using older PMMAIL for OS/2 vs >current Win version) is that I had to break the list down into groups of >about 250 names - a real pain - or many E-mails would disappear in cyperspace >with no return. After talking to ISP it seemed somehow "blew the bcc buffer" >but not clear if this was a Pmmail problem or the smpt server of ISP. Also >the mailings were newsletters often 150k. This may explain the problem I had when I tried BCC'ing my list sometime ago. I found that many of the messages did not arrive. I'll find out if this is still a problem. If his "bcc buffer" is large enough, the BCC method will solve my problem. John Wirt - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Thu Apr 26 07:30:34 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Frank Winkler @home) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 08:30:34 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [pmmail-list] PMMail 2.20 as a bulk mailer? In-Reply-To: <200104252309.f3PN9nj94541@gate.consol.de> Message-ID: <200104260721.JAA07440@vscanner.bb.consol.de> On Wed, 25 Apr 2001 20:06:43 -0300, PMMail OS/2 Support wrote: >On Wed, 25 Apr 2001 12:25:30 -0700, Kenneth Porter wrote: > >>Which reminds me, it would be nice to be able to send to only the Bcc >>list, and either leave To empty or with only a dummy name. Currently I >>put myself in the To item just to make PMMPro happy. > >Ken, I don't think it is conformant to Internet standards to have a >blank To: field. If the To: field contains a dummy name, the server >will bounce it back to you. That's not correct, Trevor. The server doesn't care about the contents of the mail body, part of which the "To" field actually is. To satisfy SMTP requirements, we just have to give a valid recipient in the SMTP envelope ("RCPT TO:") but there are many mail clients which support some kind of "undisclosed recipients" and that's what I also already asked for :) ... You now may ask whom we should add as the dummy recipient. Well ... I don't think anyone has a problem is this is the own address (in the envelope) but the interesting thing is that this is not visible in the "To" field. Regards -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Frank Winkler frank@consol.de ConSol GmbH Franziskanerstr. 38 Voice +49 89 45841.275 81669 Munich - Germany Fax +49 89 45841.189 - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Thu Apr 26 07:38:26 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Frank Winkler @home) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 08:38:26 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [pmmail-list] Forums back up In-Reply-To: <200104260051.f3Q0pdj96472@gate.consol.de> Message-ID: <200104260721.JAA07606@vscanner.bb.consol.de> On Wed, 25 Apr 2001 19:50:51 -0400 (CDT), John Thompson wrote: >On Tue, 24 Apr 2001 10:12:55 -0700, Kenneth Porter wrote: > >>I hate web boards, as I usually must wait for a page to refresh in my >>browser everytime I switch between the message list and the contents of >>a message. Broadband makes it slightly less painful, but it's still >>tedious compared to just switching panes in a newsreader. I suppose a >>better-designed web board could alleviate that, but I have yet to see >>one that's satisfactorily responsive. > >I agree. What was wrong with nntp that everybody decided to go to this >web-based discussion group nonsense instead? I suspect it's a matter of >fashion: if it's not web-based it must not be good or some similarly >faulty reasoning. I have nothing against the WWW, but it's not God's own >answer to every question possible. For text-based discussion you still >can't beat nntp. Now it's time to follow this discussion. I fully agree! :) On Wed, 25 Apr 2001 18:13:12 -0700, Kenneth Porter wrote: >On Wed, 25 Apr 2001 19:50:51 -0400 (CDT), John Thompson wrote: > >>What was wrong with nntp that everybody decided to go to this >>web-based discussion group nonsense instead? > >That's an easy one. You can't force ads on people with NNTP. ;-) (Well, >you can, but they're easier to filter.) > >Plus, mere text is too difficult for the mouse potato generation. The >web only became as popular as it is because it let non-technical people >look at pictures instead of reading text. I couldn't find better word for it! LOL! :)) Regards -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Frank Winkler frank@consol.de ConSol GmbH Franziskanerstr. 38 Voice +49 89 45841.275 81669 Munich - Germany Fax +49 89 45841.189 - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Thu Apr 26 08:35:25 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Joachim F. Selinger) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 09:35:25 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [pmmail-list] PMMail 2.20 as a bulk mailer? In-Reply-To: <200104260721.JAA07440@vscanner.bb.consol.de> Message-ID: <20010426073530.ABC5048648@bender.bawue.de> --1166131744-521595368-988270531=:8721 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Hi BSW! On 26 Apr, Frank Winkler @home wrote: > On Wed, 25 Apr 2001 20:06:43 -0300, PMMail OS/2 Support wrote: > >On Wed, 25 Apr 2001 12:25:30 -0700, Kenneth Porter wrote: > >>Which reminds me, it would be nice to be able to send to only the Bcc > >>list, and either leave To empty or with only a dummy name. Currently > >>I put myself in the To item just to make PMMPro happy. > > > >Ken, I don't think it is conformant to Internet standards to have a > >blank To: field. If the To: field contains a dummy name, the server > >will bounce it back to you. >=20 > That's not correct, Trevor. The server doesn't care about the contents > of the mail body, part of which the "To" field actually is. To satisfy > SMTP requirements, we just have to give a valid recipient in the SMTP > envelope > ("RCPT TO:") but there are many mail clients which support some kind of= =20 > "undisclosed recipients" and that's what I also already asked for :) ... Now that you mention this, I would like to add in another 'feature'. PMMail/2 insists on setting a Reply-To field, even if I don't want to. To make a long story short, not everyone wants a Reply-To set... ;-) This shouldn't be that difficult to leave out, IMHO. Thanks for considering it. Jocki -- =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D/\=3D=3D=3D/\=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D/\=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Joachim F. Selinger / \ / \/\ /\/ \ ___ Brunhildenweg 4 / \/\ / \ \/\ \ | D-70597 Stuttgart,Germany/ / / CU \ / \ \ ----------(0)---------- Tel.(49)+711-901-8040 / =FC / / / \ \ ' Fax.(49)+711-901-8041=3D=3Dselinger(@)idefix.s.bawue.de=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3DSo= aring=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D --1166131744-521595368-988270531=:8721 Content-Type: APPLICATION/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQA658+9pHLA4FnPkMoRAnyQAJ0Wim7yu42IAP2jhSiG2tP2dZ28ZQCgsRpj EEXViOedypiUgzYXLmu8hL0= =Hevp -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --1166131744-521595368-988270531=:8721-- From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Thu Apr 26 08:52:55 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Lueko Willms) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 09:52:55 +0200 (MES) Subject: [pmmail-list] PMMail 2.20 as a bulk mailer? In-Reply-To: <200104251925.MAA09613@mail.well.com> Message-ID: <14sgny-1lXmxkC@fwd02.sul.t-online.com> On Wed, 25 Apr 2001 12:25:30 -0700, Kenneth Porter wrote: > >Interesting idea, btw! I had never thought of this type of filter. > >But all it does is add the addresses to the Bcc: line, which can be > >accomplished without the filter. > > Which reminds me, it would be nice to be able to send to only the Bcc > list, and either leave To empty or with only a dummy name. Currently I > put myself in the To item just to make PMMPro happy. That's exactly what PMMail did by itself when acting on the filter. In the mean time I learned from the discussion, and would enter the address books name in the BCC field right away, and leave the filter to act on incoming messages which are to be distributed automatically to the distribution list. Yours, Lüko Willms Frankfurt/Main / Lueko.Willms@T-Online.de - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Thu Apr 26 10:08:55 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Lueko Willms) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 11:08:55 +0200 (MES) Subject: [pmmail-list] VCARD/VCF support outgoing Message-ID: <14sinB-1MbHuKC@fwd06.sul.t-online.com> PMMail supports quite nicely the import into the address books of data received as a VCARD appendix. Wouldn't it be nice to support _sending_ vcards, too? Is there a way to do it now, which I have not discovered yet? Yours, Lüko Willms Frankfurt/Main / Lueko.Willms@T-Online.de - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Thu Apr 26 12:02:00 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Steve Wendt) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 04:02:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [pmmail-list] VCARD/VCF support outgoing In-Reply-To: <14sinB-1MbHuKC@fwd06.sul.t-online.com> Message-ID: <200104261103.f3QB2tG20744@fingers.shocking.com> On Thu, 26 Apr 2001 11:08:55 +0200 (MES), Lueko Willms wrote: > Wouldn't it be nice to support _sending_ vcards, too? Is there a >way to do it now, which I have not discovered yet? Drag and drop from the address book seems to work... ----------- "Good people do not need laws to tell them to act responsibly, while bad people will find a way around the laws." - Plato (427-347 B.C.) - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Thu Apr 26 12:09:46 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Paul Hodges) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 12:09:46 +0100 Subject: [pmmail-list] PMMail 2.20 as a bulk mailer? In-Reply-To: <20010426073530.ABC5048648@bender.bawue.de> Message-ID: <200104261209.000000FJ@refety.qbss.com> On Thu, 26 Apr 2001 09:35:25 +0200 (CEST), Joachim F. Selinger wrote: > Now that you mention this, I would like to add in another 'feature'. > PMMail/2 insists on setting a Reply-To field, even if I don't want to. > > To make a long story short, not everyone wants a Reply-To set... ;-) Hmm. I ask BoB and Icon for this back at v1.5... Paul Hodges QBS Software Ltd - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Thu Apr 26 13:14:18 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (John Wirt) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 08:14:18 -0400 Subject: [pmmail-list] PMMail 2.20 as a bulk mailer? In-Reply-To: <20010425032007.JPZJ26880.mail1.rdc1.az.home.com@cx370998-a> Message-ID: <200104260813718.SM00192@client656nt.toward.com> On Tue, 24 Apr 2001 20:23:15 -0700, Dave in Phoenix AZ wrote: >The only concern is back when I had 1500 (was using older PMMAIL for OS/2 vs >current Win version) is that I had to break the list down into groups of >about 250 names - a real pain - or many E-mails would disappear in cyperspace >with no return. After talking to ISP it seemed somehow "blew the bcc buffer" >but not clear if this was a Pmmail problem or the smpt server of ISP. Also >the mailings were newsletters often 150k. This may explain the problem I had sometime ago when I tried using bcc to distribute my mail list. I had about 300 names and found that many of the bcc copies did not arrive. I have contacted my ISP to find out if this is a limited in his SMTP server. I would rather not have to maintain multiple lists. But without PMMSend in the Windows version of PMMail I am somewhat as a loss to know what to do. Perhaps I can jimmy up Outlook Express to do the job. John - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Thu Apr 26 13:33:09 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Jerry Prather) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 08:33:09 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [pmmail-list] Printing problem... In-Reply-To: <200104260813718.SM00192@client656nt.toward.com> Message-ID: <200104261233.f3QCX9I31941@marlin.exis.net> I've been on this list for a good while and haven't seen this discussed, so here goes... I used to not have a problem printing from PMMail (OS/2 variety). Now for some dumb reason, if I try to print to my LJ IIIP, PMMail bombs with a 3175 error. I have a Lexmark 5700 attached to LPT2. It will print from PMMail/2 without a problem. Anyone seen this or have a clue as to the cause of the problem? Thanks, Jerry -- Jerry Prather prather@exis.net Virginia Beach, VA "When governments fear the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny." - Thomas Jefferson - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Thu Apr 26 14:15:18 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Gene Gough) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 09:15:18 -0400 Subject: [pmmail-list] VCARD/VCF support outgoing In-Reply-To: <200104261103.f3QB2tG20744@fingers.shocking.com> Message-ID: <200104261315.JAA12001@tisch.mail.mindspring.net> Thank You! How long have I used this and not known that? Learn something new every day and forget something old. Muhahaha On Thu, 26 Apr 2001 04:02:00 -0700 (PDT), Steve Wendt wrote: >On Thu, 26 Apr 2001 11:08:55 +0200 (MES), Lueko Willms wrote: > >> Wouldn't it be nice to support _sending_ vcards, too? Is there a >>way to do it now, which I have not discovered yet? > >Drag and drop from the address book seems to work... > > >----------- >"Good people do not need laws to tell them to act responsibly, >while bad people will find a way around the laws." > - Plato (427-347 B.C.) > > > >- pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- >To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first >line of the message body being... >UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com > > > Gene Gough IBM - Retired Marietta, GA Gough Family Page : http://www.goughfamily.com/home/albums.htm Gough History : http://www.goughfamily.com/familytree/goughtree.html Professional Page : http://www.goughfamily.com/resume/software_expert.html - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Thu Apr 26 15:56:09 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Martin Jansen) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 16:56:09 +0200 Subject: [pmmail-list] bug in latest beta Message-ID: <200104261504.f3QF4l221081@mailsrvc.hrz.uni-oldenburg.de> Hi, I just discovered a small bug in the latest beta version of PMMail 2000 on Windows 2000: When writing a message which contains something like (in _plain text_-Format) in the body and storing it in outbox, the part isn't visible. The same happens when it is send and moved to "Sent Mail". When I open the message and select "Window - View Full Message" everything is displayed correctly. I suppose, PMMail treats the text as HTML-tags even when the Content-Type is text/plain. Could please anyone from BSW be so kind and fix that problem before the next beta release is rolled? -Martin - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Thu Apr 26 16:19:10 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Jimmy S. McCorquodale, Jr.) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 11:19:10 -0400 Subject: [pmmail-list] Funlove virus Message-ID: <200104261526.f3QFQf222579@mailsrvc.hrz.uni-oldenburg.de> A server without antivirus protection resulted in the infection of up to 26 of Microsoft's top support customers with a tenacious virus. http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/zd/20010426/tc/no_funlove--microsoft_spreads_a_virus_1.html - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Thu Apr 26 16:39:24 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 15:39:24 +0000 Subject: [pmmail-list] Forums back up Message-ID: <20010426153924.FLRV2578.mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> Personally I couldn't agree more. I have to point out, however -- unhappily -- that NNTP support from ISPs may no longer be an automatic thing. My DSL provider, AT&T, doesn't provide news -- this despite the fact that AT&T's dialup news service was first-rate. (The DSL saleswoman had claimed they did when I signed up, but apparently they were mistaken -- I screamed and hollered, but all it got me was a credit, and an indication that they were hoping to implement it this summer, and since in most other regards the service is ok, I stayed.) When Deja was around, it was something of a substitute, but -- no more, & I'm still going through withdrawal. Anyway to respond to an earlier post: if you have no choice, there's only one way to navigate through a web-based board, and that's with two browser windows -- index in one, from which you drag and drop post headers to the other... -Ray Tennenbaum > Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 19:50:51 -0400 (CDT) > From: "John Thompson" > Subject: Re: [pmmail-list] Forums back up > > On Tue, 24 Apr 2001 10:12:55 -0700, Kenneth Porter wrote: > > >I hate web boards, as I usually must wait for a page to refresh in my > >browser everytime I switch between the message list and the contents of > >a message. Broadband makes it slightly less painful, but it's still > >tedious compared to just switching panes in a newsreader. I suppose a > >better-designed web board could alleviate that, but I have yet to see > >one that's satisfactorily responsive. > > I agree. What was wrong with nntp that everybody decided to go to this > web-based discussion group nonsense instead? I suspect it's a matter of > fashion: if it's not web-based it must not be good or some similarly > faulty reasoning. I have nothing against the WWW, but it's not God's own > answer to every question possible. For text-based discussion you still > can't beat nntp. > > > > > > -- > > John (john.thompson@attglobal.net) - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Thu Apr 26 19:12:26 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Leon D. Zetekoff) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 13:12:26 EST Subject: [pmmail-list] Things we would like fixed! resend #???? Message-ID: <20010426131228-29608-9@mail.stiscan.com> 4/24/2001 -- the first time I posted this was 11/30/2000 and never did get an answer regarding these two items. I'd appreciate to hear from someone on this. THanx Leon ========== Hi there... Been trying to find time to post finally able to!!! WE have a few things that need to be fixed/implemented in both the OS/2 and Pro Win version. 1. A long time ago we requested that PMMAil support migration from PostRoad Mailer 3.0. A few times I have sent in some REXX scripts (that others have done) for the POLARBAR (ex-Jstreet) Mailer. I'm not a REXX person but I think that since PRM is/was such a widely used app that support for this should be there. We have hundreds of folders and thousands of messages that we can not afford to lose. 2. In the Windoze version if I put "/s leonz0.act" as the startup parameter it opens with the mailer AND a compose window that has some corrupted data in it. (Win 98 SE+updates). How can this be resolved? That's it for now but I'm sure there are a few others (grin). Thanks. Leon D. Zetekoff, NCE Product Manager - Network Administrator Solution Technology, Inc. ================================================================== "We create solutions..." Leon D. Zetekoff, N.C.E. Voice: 561-241-3210 Product Manager FAX: 561-997-6518 Solution Technology E-mail: solution@stiscan.com 1101 South Rogers Circle WWW: http://www.stiscan.com Suite 14 NNTP: news://news.stiscan.com Boca Raton, FL 33487 - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Thu Apr 26 21:40:18 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Jimmy S. McCorquodale, Jr.) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 16:40:18 -0400 Subject: [pmmail-list] bug in latest beta Message-ID: <200104262105.f3QL5J201728@mailsrvc.hrz.uni-oldenburg.de> Hello Martin, I am not sure if I am understanding you properly, so please let me know if I am incorrect. I cannot reproduce it here. Running PMMail Pro version 2300. - Account-->Properties-->Send is plain text (HTML formatting not enabled) - Compose a message saying Hello - Send message. When in Outbox the is not visible? Anywhere else it does not appear? Here it is visible when in the Outbox, Sent Mail, and Inbox when it arrives. Thanks, jimmy On Thu, 26 Apr 2001 16:56:09 +0200, Martin Jansen wrote: Hi, I just discovered a small bug in the latest beta version of PMMail 2000 on Windows 2000: When writing a message which contains something like (in _plain text_-Format) in the body and storing it in outbox, the part isn't visible. The same happens when it is send and moved to "Sent Mail". When I open the message and select "Window - View Full Message" everything is displayed correctly. I suppose, PMMail treats the text as HTML-tags even when the Content-Type is text/plain. Could please anyone from BSW be so kind and fix that problem before the next beta release is rolled? Jimmy S. McCorquodale, Jr. jimmym@blueprintsoftwareworks.com http://www.blueprintsoftwareworks.com Fon: 910-452-4787 Fax: 910-452-4046 - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Thu Apr 26 22:30:52 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (PMMail OS/2 Support) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 18:30:52 -0300 Subject: [pmmail-list] Printing problem... In-Reply-To: <200104261233.f3QCX9I31941@marlin.exis.net> Message-ID: <200104262152.f3QLqX202669@mailsrvc.hrz.uni-oldenburg.de> On Thu, 26 Apr 2001 08:33:09 -0400 (EDT), Jerry Prather wrote: >I used to not have a problem printing from PMMail (OS/2 >variety). Now for some dumb reason, if I try to print to >my LJ IIIP, PMMail bombs with a 3175 error. > >I have a Lexmark 5700 attached to LPT2. It will print from >PMMail/2 without a problem. Anyone seen this or have a >clue as to the cause of the problem? Can you try the newest beta? Also, open your printer object and see if spooling is enabled. This may cause a problem. -- Trevor Smith PMMail/2 Technical Support pmmailos2@blueprintsoftwareworks.com - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Fri Apr 27 00:42:23 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (PMMail OS/2 Support) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 20:42:23 -0300 Subject: [pmmail-list] Things we would like fixed! resend #???? In-Reply-To: <20010426131228-29608-9@mail.stiscan.com> Message-ID: <200104262355.f3QNtY204583@mailsrvc.hrz.uni-oldenburg.de> On Thu, 26 Apr 2001 13:12:26 EST, Leon D. Zetekoff wrote: >1. A long time ago we requested that PMMAil support migration from PostRoad Mailer 3.0. A few times I have sent >in some REXX scripts (that others have done) for the POLARBAR (ex-Jstreet) Mailer. I'm not a REXX person but I >think that since PRM is/was such a widely used app that support for this should be there. We have hundreds of >folders and thousands of messages that we can not afford to lose. Leon, did you try the PRM->PMMail directions on the 3rd party utils page (I can't remember)? http://www.pmmail2000.com/os2info.html -- Trevor Smith PMMail/2 Technical Support pmmailos2@blueprintsoftwareworks.com - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Fri Apr 27 00:55:27 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Jerry Prather) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 19:55:27 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [pmmail-list] Printing problem... In-Reply-To: <200104262153.f3QLr0I21715@marlin.exis.net> Message-ID: <200104262355.f3QNtRI11442@marlin.exis.net> On Thu, 26 Apr 2001 18:30:52 -0300, PMMail OS/2 Support wrote: >Can you try the newest beta? Sure, I guess so. I need a pointer to it, though. >Also, open your printer object and see if spooling is enabled. This >may cause a problem. Tried making a change - no difference in the situation. It still bombed. Thanks, Jerry -- Jerry Prather prather@exis.net Virginia Beach, VA "When governments fear the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny." - Thomas Jefferson - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Fri Apr 27 01:18:57 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Gene Gough) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 20:18:57 -0400 Subject: [pmmail-list] Things we would like fixed! resend #???? In-Reply-To: <20010426131228-29608-9@mail.stiscan.com> Message-ID: <200104270019.UAA26121@barry.mail.mindspring.net> Post Road Mailer came with utilities to convert to comma deliniated text. On Thu, 26 Apr 2001 13:12:26 EST, Leon D. Zetekoff wrote: >4/24/2001 -- the first time I posted this was 11/30/2000 and never did get an answer regarding these two >items. > >I'd appreciate to hear from someone on this. > >THanx Leon > > >========== > >Hi there... > >Been trying to find time to post finally able to!!! > >WE have a few things that need to be fixed/implemented in both the OS/2 and Pro Win version. > >1. A long time ago we requested that PMMAil support migration from PostRoad Mailer 3.0. A few times I have sent >in some REXX scripts (that others have done) for the POLARBAR (ex-Jstreet) Mailer. I'm not a REXX person but I >think that since PRM is/was such a widely used app that support for this should be there. We have hundreds of >folders and thousands of messages that we can not afford to lose. > >2. In the Windoze version if I put "/s leonz0.act" as the startup parameter it opens with the mailer AND a >compose window that has some corrupted data in it. (Win 98 SE+updates). How can this be resolved? > >That's it for now but I'm sure there are a few others (grin). > >Thanks. > >Leon D. Zetekoff, NCE >Product Manager - Network Administrator >Solution Technology, Inc. > > > > > > > >================================================================== > >"We create solutions..." > >Leon D. Zetekoff, N.C.E. Voice: 561-241-3210 >Product Manager FAX: 561-997-6518 >Solution Technology E-mail: solution@stiscan.com >1101 South Rogers Circle WWW: http://www.stiscan.com >Suite 14 NNTP: news://news.stiscan.com >Boca Raton, FL 33487 >- pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- >To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first >line of the message body being... >UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com > > > Gene Gough IBM - Retired Marietta, GA Gough Family Page : http://www.goughfamily.com/home/albums.htm Gough History : http://www.goughfamily.com/familytree/goughtree.html Professional Page : http://www.goughfamily.com/resume/software_expert.html - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Fri Apr 27 06:35:19 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Martin Jansen) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 07:35:19 +0200 Subject: [pmmail-list] bug in latest beta Message-ID: <200104270536.f3R5av209353@mailsrvc.hrz.uni-oldenburg.de> On Thu, 26 Apr 2001 16:40:18 -0400, Jimmy S. McCorquodale, Jr. wrote: >I am not sure if I am understanding you properly, so please let >me know if I am incorrect. I cannot reproduce it here. > >Running PMMail Pro version 2300. > >- Account-->Properties-->Send is plain text (HTML formatting not enabled) >- Compose a message saying > > Hello > >- Send message. When in Outbox the is not visible? Anywhere else it >does not appear? Well, with it works. But e.g. try , or

(which are all part of HTML 3 and 4) instead of . When writing them in a message, they are not visible in outbox or any other folder. -Martin - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Fri Apr 27 10:53:12 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (PMMail OS/2 Support) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 06:53:12 -0300 Subject: [pmmail-list] Printing problem... In-Reply-To: <200104262355.f3QNtRI11442@marlin.exis.net> Message-ID: <200104270958.f3R9wZ228216@mailsrvc.hrz.uni-oldenburg.de> On Thu, 26 Apr 2001 19:55:27 -0400 (EDT), Jerry Prather wrote: >Sure, I guess so. I need a pointer to it, though. Sorry: http://www.pmmail2000.com/betas/pmm220.exe -- Trevor Smith PMMail/2 Technical Support pmmailos2@blueprintsoftwareworks.com - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Fri Apr 27 14:48:40 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Jerry Prather) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 09:48:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [pmmail-list] Printing problem... In-Reply-To: <200104270958.f3R9wsI25644@marlin.exis.net> Message-ID: <200104271348.f3RDmeI27224@marlin.exis.net> On Fri, 27 Apr 2001 06:53:12 -0300, PMMail OS/2 Support wrote: >Sorry: > > http://www.pmmail2000.com/betas/pmm220.exe Installing the new beta did the trick! The LJIIIP now works from PMMail/2. Now the question is: Was there a fix in the beta, or did the beta just overwrite some kind of corruption in the older files? (Curiosity only; it works, and I'm a happy camper. ) Thanks for the help, Jerry -- Jerry Prather prather@exis.net Virginia Beach, VA "When governments fear the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny." - Thomas Jefferson - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Fri Apr 27 15:41:06 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (PMMail OS/2 Support) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 11:41:06 -0300 Subject: [pmmail-list] Printing problem... In-Reply-To: <200104271348.f3RDmeI27224@marlin.exis.net> Message-ID: <200104271459.f3RExH216054@mailsrvc.hrz.uni-oldenburg.de> On Fri, 27 Apr 2001 09:48:40 -0400 (EDT), Jerry Prather wrote: >Installing the new beta did the trick! The LJIIIP now >works from PMMail/2. > >Now the question is: Was there a fix in the beta, or did Probably the fix was in the v2.10.2010. You were using v2.10.1999. But the beta builds on the later code (naturally). -- Trevor Smith PMMail/2 Technical Support pmmailos2@blueprintsoftwareworks.com - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Fri Apr 27 22:59:04 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Lueko Willms) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 23:59:04 +0200 (MES) Subject: [pmmail-list] VCARD/VCF support outgoing In-Reply-To: <200104261103.f3QB2tG20744@fingers.shocking.com> Message-ID: <14tGIF-02DUSAC@fwd00.sul.t-online.com> On Thu, 26 Apr 2001 04:02:00 -0700 (PDT), Steve Wendt wrote: > On Thu, 26 Apr 2001 11:08:55 +0200 (MES), Lueko Willms wrote: > > > Wouldn't it be nice to support _sending_ vcards, too? Is there a > >way to do it now, which I have not discovered yet? > > Drag and drop from the address book seems to work... It does, but to do that each time is quite awkward. Shouldn't there be an easier way to do it, at least for my own address? Yours, Lüko Willms Frankfurt/Main / Lueko.Willms@T-Online.de - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Sat Apr 28 06:19:11 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Steve Wendt) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 22:19:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [pmmail-list] closing sub-windows Message-ID: <200104280519.f3S5Jto16168@fingers.shocking.com> I have always been annoyed that closing message windows from OS/2's window list causes PMMail to close also. Thanks to Ulrich Moeller, I now have an idea of why, as shown below. Can this be changed for PMMail, please? >The problem with windows opened from the XCenter was that they were >running on the XCenter thread. If the XCenter was closed, its PM message >queue was destroyed (because the thread terminated), and PM then simply killed >all windows which were still running on that message queue. Not very polite. PMMail is nicely threaded, but apparently there is a possible threading/message queue issue with it's message windows. ----------- "Good people do not need laws to tell them to act responsibly, while bad people will find a way around the laws." - Plato (427-347 B.C.) - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Sat Apr 28 11:16:19 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (PMMail OS/2 Support) Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 07:16:19 -0300 Subject: [pmmail-list] closing sub-windows In-Reply-To: <200104280519.f3S5Jto16168@fingers.shocking.com> Message-ID: <200104281025.f3SAP9201806@mailsrvc.hrz.uni-oldenburg.de> On Fri, 27 Apr 2001 22:19:11 -0700 (PDT), Steve Wendt wrote: >I have always been annoyed that closing message windows from OS/2's window >list causes PMMail to close also. Thanks to Ulrich Moeller, I now have an idea of >why, as shown below. Can this be changed for PMMail, please? I have passed this on to the developer. -- Trevor Smith PMMail/2 Technical Support pmmailos2@blueprintsoftwareworks.com - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Sat Apr 28 14:21:37 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (xavier caballe) Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 15:21:37 +0200 Subject: [pmmail-list] Subject size limited to 60 characters In-Reply-To: <200104280519.f3S5Jto16168@fingers.shocking.com> Message-ID: <200104281248.f3SCmbt01771@hidrogen.intranet.caballe.com> It seems that, on PMMail for Windows, the subject field on the folder content view (in the regular PMMail main window, the portion where the contents of the folder are displayed) is limited to only 60 characters (independently of the width of this column). Is there any chance to increase the size of text to be displayed to fill the width of the column? Thanks! Xavi --- Foghorns blowing in the night, salt sea in the morning breeze, driving cars all allong the coastline... This must be what paradise is like - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Sat Apr 28 19:24:48 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Steve Wendt) Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 11:24:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [pmmail-list] closing sub-windows In-Reply-To: <200104281025.f3SAPUo15707@fingers.shocking.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 28 Apr 2001, PMMail OS/2 Support wrote: > I have passed this on to the developer. Thanks, Trevor. :) - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Sun Apr 29 18:32:23 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Chris Marais) Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 16:32:23 -0100 (EDT) Subject: [pmmail-list] Printing problem... In-Reply-To: <200104271348.f3RDmeI27224@marlin.exis.net> Message-ID: <0GCK00I5U5QZZE@cpt-mailhost2.mweb.co.za> On Fri, 27 Apr 2001 09:48:40 -0400 (EDT), Jerry Prather wrote: >Now the question is: Was there a fix in the beta, or did >the beta just overwrite some kind of corruption in the >older files? (Curiosity only; it works, and I'm a happy >camper. Probably no fixes. I had exactly the same problem about 2 versions ago. Installing a later version miraculously cured the problem. cHris m. - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Mon Apr 30 14:55:23 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (xavier caballe) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 15:55:23 +0200 Subject: [pmmail-list] SSL tunneling for POP mail In-Reply-To: <0GCK00I5U5QZZE@cpt-mailhost2.mweb.co.za> Message-ID: <200104301322.f3UDMAR02073@hidrogen.intranet.caballe.com> Since I'm a little bit concerned about the security of my own mail -I travel quite a lot and usually I have to access my mail from the customer network, so I don't like to send my password on cleartext. So, I'm planning to install a dedicated POP server and I'd like to wrap my POP traffic using SSL (with stunnel, http://www.stunnel.org/). I'm affraid that PMMail does not support this... does it? Xavi --- Foghorns blowing in the night, salt sea in the morning breeze, driving cars all allong the coastline... This must be what paradise is like - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Mon Apr 30 15:20:26 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Paul Hodges) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 15:20:26 +0100 Subject: [pmmail-list] SSL tunneling for POP mail In-Reply-To: <200104301322.f3UDMAR02073@hidrogen.intranet.caballe.com> Message-ID: <200104301520.0000013W@refety.qbss.com> On Mon, 30 Apr 2001 15:55:23 +0200, xavier caballe wrote: > I'm affraid that PMMail does not support this... does it? But the FAQ on the stunnel site has instructions (last entry under examples) for dealing with this specific case (POP client to server when neither is aware of stunnel). Paul Hodges QBS Software Ltd - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Mon Apr 30 15:31:40 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Nicholas Saxon) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 10:31:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [pmmail-list] SSL tunneling for POP mail In-Reply-To: <200104301322.f3UDMAR02073@hidrogen.intranet.caballe.com> Message-ID: <20010430103107-33153-7@emlsrv01.internal.goldencode.com> On Mon, 30 Apr 2001 15:55:23 +0200, xavier caballe wrote: > >Since I'm a little bit concerned about the security of my own mail -I >travel quite a lot and usually I have to access my mail from the customer >network, so I don't like to send my password on cleartext. So, I'm >planning to install a dedicated POP server and I'd like to wrap my POP >traffic using SSL (with stunnel, http://www.stunnel.org/). > >I'm affraid that PMMail does not support this... does it? Thanks for the link! It's a simple and effective idea, indeed. As you could conclude from the information available on the site, stunnel can provide the client side support as well. So, PMMail doesn't have to support SSL to benefit from using stunnel, thouhg it could. > >Xavi >--- >Foghorns blowing in the night, salt sea in the morning breeze, >driving cars all allong the coastline... This must be what paradise is like > Nick > > >- pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- >To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first >line of the message body being... >UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com > > > > - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Mon Apr 30 15:38:34 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (xavier caballe) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 16:38:34 +0200 Subject: [pmmail-list] SSL tunneling for POP mail In-Reply-To: <200104301520.0000013W@refety.qbss.com> Message-ID: <200104301405.f3UE5KR02116@hidrogen.intranet.caballe.com> >> I'm affraid that PMMail does not support this... does it? >But the FAQ on the stunnel site has instructions (last entry under >examples) for dealing with this specific case (POP client to server >when neither is aware of stunnel). Oh... great! You're absolutely right... I haven't seen this. Xavi --- Foghorns blowing in the night, salt sea in the morning breeze, driving cars all allong the coastline... This must be what paradise is like - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Mon Apr 30 18:41:56 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Richard Knapp) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 13:41:56 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [pmmail-list] SSL tunneling for POP mail In-Reply-To: <200104301405.f3UE5KR02116@hidrogen.intranet.caballe.com> Message-ID: <200104301851.f3UIpv204148@mailsrvc.hrz.uni-oldenburg.de> Is there going to be a change on the Account pop-up menu so that "A" doesn't mean "Account Error Log" and "Account Settings"? - Richard "Microsoft Outlook, the hacker's path to your hard disk." _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Mon Apr 30 19:00:40 2001 From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Curtis Delzer) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 11:00:40 -0700 Subject: [pmmail-list] Wish List.... In-Reply-To: <200104291347320150.002BBB14@smtp.calweb.com> Message-ID: <200104301801.LAA72191@mail.calweb.com> I have 3 wishes for PM-Mail. The ability to edit received messages in the internal editor so they can be saved as any other message, messages can be queued for future delivery to be sent at a particular time/and/or date, and, my biggest wish of all, messages longer than 64K can be written without the problem where if, for example if you have a message which has to be longer and you bring up an external editor, if you then save the message, then send it, you find your message trunkated to your header and footer without any body... Yes, that bug still exists and is being ignored utterly though claims are made to have fixed it but as George Gershwin and Ira wrote, "it ain't necessarily so." Trunkating of longer than 64K messages still exists in the "message read window." I have tried everything under the sun to make this work without success, even buying 384M of memory to see if something funky was happening here with my configuration, but no way does it make a difference................. I am extremely annoyed because all of the people I have demonstrated to that also can demonstrate this bug is being ignored by BSW, WHY? Isn't this a list where problems are listened too and action taken rather than just problems stated and ignored except in situations where an obvious communication to server problems exist as in beta 2? I can demonstrate this trunkating problem with 4 out of 4 computers but BSW claims it doesn't exist so, therefore it doesn't exist... Where is the change in editors promised which hasn't happened? So, those 3 wishes of mine, again, thanks for reading though I have really little hope that this best of all e-mail programs, in our dreams nonetheless will change and clean it's own act up to lift itself to that high goal. For those of us who are blind and must rely on our access technology, it is absolutely the most accessible to us, bar none and believe me I have tried because it is part of my job to find out and have concluded that PM-Mail is the most accessible, and yet these annoyances persist... TAKE CARE! Curtis Delzer. H.S. W B 6 H E F. Sacramento, CA. curtis@calweb.com - pmmail-list - The PMMail Dicussion List --------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to mdaemon@bmtmicro.com with the first line of the message body being... UNSUBSCRIBE pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com