From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Fri Aug 1 11:14:28 2003
From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Hahn Gerhard)
Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 12:14:28 +0200
Subject: [pmmail-list] SpamFiltering better idea?
Message-ID: <200308011006.h71A6N0d004247@kapfge11.medhost.at>
As I get more and more spams with type of:
--->
Introducing
GRX penis
enlargement pills
Gain 3+ inches in
length
Stop premature
ejaculation
Produce stronger
erections
100% Safe to use,
no side effects
Your partner will be
astounded
Get
GRX
now!
Remove
Yourself
D1g9FS
<----
say masking the real text, I created a filter nospam:
body=""
Does anybody have a better idea?
BTW. It's funny that domainholders are suspected to be male and have
big depts and problems with their penis
;-)
Maybe we should inform the whole advertising industrie?
baba
gerhard
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From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Sat Aug 2 05:25:37 2003
From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Utsav Ratti)
Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2003 00:25:37 -0400
Subject: [pmmail-list] PMMail and Windows power saving, screensavers
In-Reply-To:
Message-ID: <200308020429.h724Ta004827@virt7c.webintellects.com>
On Tue, 17 Jun 2003 12:32:18 -0400 (EDT), W. J. Myles wrote:
> On Sat, 14 Jun 2003 11:40:31 -0400, Utsav Ratti wrote:
> >
> >The screensaver doesn't come on for very long before it inexplicably
> >turns off again. I can't be certain, but I suspect this happens when
> >PMMail automatically "wakes up" to check for mail on the server.
> >
> >PMMail also does not allow me to suspend/hibernate my machine. I
> >first have to close PMMail and only then can my machine properly use
> >power saving modes.
>
>
> What interval do you have PMMail set to check for new mail?
Every 300 seconds. I'm surprised it's not doing the check in the
background, though, and leaves the screensaver on. Also, it doesn't
make sense that hibernation shouldn't work altogether.
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From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Sat Aug 2 07:07:40 2003
From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Chris)
Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2003 08:07:40 +0200
Subject: [pmmail-list] PMMail and Windows power saving, screensavers
In-Reply-To: <200308020429.h724Ta004827@virt7c.webintellects.com>
Message-ID: <20030802060745.52A522317A4@matilda.tiscali.nl>
--_=_=_=IMA.BOUNDARY.HTML_6699288=_=_=_
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
every 10 minutes, no problem with screensaver or turning of my monitor
Chris
On Sat, 02 Aug 2003 00:25:37 -0400, Utsav Ratti wrote:
>On Tue, 17 Jun 2003 12:32:18 -0400 (EDT), W. J. Myles wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 14 Jun 2003 11:40:31 -0400, Utsav Ratti wrote:
>> >
>> >The screensaver doesn't come on for very long before it inexplicably
>> >turns off again. I can't be certain, but I suspect this happens when
>> >PMMail automatically "wakes up" to check for mail on the server.
>> >
>> >PMMail also does not allow me to suspend/hibernate my machine. I
>> >first have to close PMMail and only then can my machine properly use
>> >power saving modes.
>>
>>
>> What interval do you have PMMail set to check for new mail?
>
>Every 300 seconds. I'm surprised it's not doing the check in the
>background, though, and leaves the screensaver on. Also, it doesn't
>make sense that hibernation shouldn't work altogether.
>
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Om mijn ADSL zo goed mogelijk te benutten gebruik ik MSN 6.0 (cccolijn@hotmail.com) Ook YahooMessegner (screenname colijnc). De link om yahoomessegner te halen . Link om Yahoo id aan te maken de mogelijkheid tot praten, zij het om de beurt praten niet full duplex dus.of AOL (ChrisColijn) of ICQ (even zoeken op naam) .
Mijn onetel-emailadres bestaat vanaf 030603 niet meer!!!!!
Oude schoolvrienden vinden? www.schoolbank.nl
Wilt U bevestiging van ontvangst van U email, email dan naar c.colijn@tiscali.nl
Mijn imode email : cco@imail.nl
www.infobel.com telefoonboek voor de hele wereld.
Jelle in memoriam 18-06-1997 - 18-06-2002
Harry Potter 5 in pdf-formaat op Kazaa of vraag even om het passwoord?
Kijk op http://www.songtoday.com/ voor gratis software
Wat foto's (Some pictures) : http://groups.msn.com/ColijnsFotosenMededelingen
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every 10 minutes, no problem with screensaver or turning of my monitor
Chris
On Sat, 02 Aug 2003 00:25:37 -0400, Utsav Ratti wrote:
>On Tue, 17 Jun 2003 12:32:18 -0400 (EDT), W. J. Myles wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 14 Jun 2003 11:40:31 -0400, Utsav Ratti wrote:
>> >
>> >The screensaver doesn't come on for very long before it inexplicably
>> >turns off again. I can't be certain, but I suspect this happens when
>> >PMMail automatically "wakes up" to check for mail on the server.
>> >
>> >PMMail also does not allow me to suspend/hibernate my machine. I
>> >first have to close PMMail and only then can my machine properly use
>> >power saving modes.
>>
>>
>> What interval do you have PMMail set to check for new mail?
>
>Every 300 seconds. I'm surprised it's not doing the check in the
>background, though, and leaves the screensaver on. Also, it doesn't
>make sense that hibernation shouldn't work altogether.
>
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Om mijn ADSL zo goed mogelijk te benutten gebruik ik MSN 6.0 (cccolijn@hotmail.com) Ook YahooMessegner (screenname colijnc). De link om yahoomessegner te halen <http://messenger.yahoo.com/>. Link om Yahoo id aan te maken <http://edit.yahoo.com/config/eval_register?.intl=us&new=1&.src=pg&.done=http://messenger.yahoo.com> de mogelijkheid tot praten, zij het om de beurt praten niet full duplex dus.of AOL (ChrisColijn) of ICQ (even zoeken op naam) .
Mijn onetel-emailadres bestaat vanaf 030603 niet meer!!!!!
Oude schoolvrienden vinden? www.schoolbank.nl
Wilt U bevestiging van ontvangst van U email, email dan naar c.colijn@tiscali.nl
Mijn imode email : cco@imail.nl
www.infobel.com telefoonboek voor de hele wereld.
Jelle in memoriam 18-06-1997 - 18-06-2002 <http://www.colijn.111.nl/page5.html>
Harry Potter 5 in pdf-formaat op Kazaa of <http://briefcase.yahoo.com/colijnc> vraag even om het passwoord?
Kijk op http://www.songtoday.com/ voor gratis software
Wat foto's (Some pictures) : http://groups.msn.com/ColijnsFotosenMededelingen
--_=_=_=IMA.BOUNDARY.HTML_6699288=_=_=_--
From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Sat Aug 2 21:12:59 2003
From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Ronny Hippler)
Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2003 16:12:59 -0400
Subject: [pmmail-list] PMMail and Windows power saving, screensavers
In-Reply-To: <20030802060745.52A522317A4@matilda.tiscali.nl>
Message-ID:
On=20Sat,=2002=20Aug=202003=2008:07:40=20+0200,=20Chris=20wrote:
>every=2010=20minutes,=20no=20problem=20with=20screensaver=20or=20turning=20=
of=20my=20monitor
2min=20and=2010=20min=20on=20two=20accounts=20screensaver=20works=20fine=20=
here=20so=20does=20suspend.=20
Win=20XP=20FWIW.
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=0DThis=20is=20your=20modem=20-=20=E7h=8Bs=20=8B$=20=E6=94=9A=E2=20m=94=EB=
=EEM=20=94=EF=20=EB=E2=9Ags
=0DRonny=20Hippler=20||=20Spartanburg=20SC
http://www.vr5.dyndns.org:8008/=20||=20ftp://ftp.vr5.dyndns.org:2112/
For=20PGP=20key=20email=20with=20"PGPKey"=20in=20the=20subject
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From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Sun Aug 3 04:48:28 2003
From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Andrew Z)
Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2003 13:48:28 +1000
Subject: [pmmail-list] Email sizes ??
Message-ID: <200308030346.h733kk326005@mail007.syd.optusnet.com.au>
G'day folks,
I've been noticing this for a while but never sought an answer - when I
send emails with an attatchment of a decent size (say 1Mb), my
resulting email is at least 1.5MB or slightly bigger, even with NO text
in the body of the email.
Anyone have any clues or have seen something similar?
Thanks,
Andrew.
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From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Sun Aug 3 05:26:30 2003
From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (James F. Marshall)
Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2003 21:26:30 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [pmmail-list] Email sizes ??
In-Reply-To: <200308030346.h733kk326005@mail007.syd.optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID:
On Sun, 03 Aug 2003 13:48:28 +1000, Andrew Z wrote:
> " Anyone have any clues or have seen something similar?
The attachment is converted to ASCII, which makes it bigger
because 8-bit data is converted to 7-bit data?
--
Jim
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From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Sun Aug 3 13:07:08 2003
From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Rod.. Whitworth)
Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2003 22:07:08 +1000
Subject: [pmmail-list] Email sizes ??
In-Reply-To:
Message-ID: <200308032034.4939492.6@mail.witworx.com>
On Sat, 02 Aug 2003 21:26:30 -0700 (PDT), James F. Marshall wrote:
>On Sun, 03 Aug 2003 13:48:28 +1000, Andrew Z wrote:
>
>> " Anyone have any clues or have seen something similar?
>
>The attachment is converted to ASCII, which makes it bigger
>because 8-bit data is converted to 7-bit data?
6 bits actually + 2 bits to make the printable char.
As a result the size expands by 33%.
It is called base64 and every 3 8-bit bytes of dara (24 bits) become 4
6-bit bytes (no, bytes are not always 8 bits) which are padded with 2
bits each to form the character set [A-Za-z0-9+/] (that is 64 chars
representing 0-63) so we have now 32 bits sent as 4 chars.
If the stream of data is not a multiple of 3 bytes in length pad chars
are added on the end. For one over n*3 bytes of data another 2 zero
values (A) are added plus 2 = signs. For n*3+2 1 zero val and one = are
used to terminate the data.
HTH
HAND
"Write a wise saying and your name will live on forever." - Anonymous
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From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Sun Aug 3 13:16:05 2003
From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Andrew Z)
Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2003 22:16:05 +1000
Subject: [pmmail-list] Convert mail from Pegasus?
Message-ID: <200308031214.h73CEMt08841@mail014.syd.optusnet.com.au>
G'day folks,
Anyone know of or have a util to convert mail from Pegasus mail
straight to PMMail on a win machine?
(At the moment, conversion can be done from Pegasus --> Eudora -->
Pmmail, but I'd like to cut out that middle step if at all possible :-)
Thanks,
Andrew.
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From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Sun Aug 3 14:57:45 2003
From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Hazen Woods)
Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2003 08:57:45 -0500
Subject: [pmmail-list] folder.ini may be corrupted How FIX?
Message-ID: <200308031357.h73DvIu15928@solomon.io.com>
I had a system lockup and after reboot PMMail got error message it was corrupted, with an option to
reboot if I recall correctly. Sorry I took the option whatever it was before I wrote down the message. In
any event I re-indexed all accounts.
The only lasting effect I find is that there is a folder which sometimes appears in different places in the
folder tree. The folder is one I created to receive filtered mail from the WarpCast list. I have another
folder "Real Mail" which receives filtered mail addressed to me. For some reason all mail which should
go to Real Mail goes to WarpCast. When I edit it back as it should be in the Filter->Edit it will not stick.
I have looked at the *.ini files backed up before the lockup and after and can see no difference in
folder.ini.
What is the problem and how do I fix it?
TIA
Hazen Woods
Austin, TX USA
eCS and Win2k Pro
what a combination
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From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Mon Aug 4 03:23:32 2003
From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Hazen Woods)
Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2003 21:23:32 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [pmmail-list] SOLVED (WAS: folder.ini may be corrupted How FIX?)
Message-ID: <200308040221.h742LX214446@hiram.io.com>
Problem solved. I suspected it was the Real Mail folder.ini that was corrupted. However, after posting I
found the warpcast folder.ini somehow was identical to the Real Mail folder.ini. Corrected from old
archive and now all is well (hmm, at least this particular problem )
Former message:
>>I had a system lockup and after reboot PMMail got error message it was corrupted, with an option to
>>reboot if I recall correctly. Sorry I took the option whatever it was before I wrote down the message.
>>In any event I re-indexed all accounts.
>>
>>The only lasting effect I find is that there is a folder which sometimes appears in different places in the
>>folder tree. The folder is one I created to receive filtered mail from the WarpCast list. I have another
>>folder "Real Mail" which receives filtered mail addressed to me. For some reason all mail which
>>should go to Real Mail goes to WarpCast. When I edit it back as it should be in the Filter->Edit it will
>>not stick.
>>I have looked at the *.ini files backed up before the lockup and after and can see no difference in
>>folder.ini.
>>What is the problem and how do I fix it?
>>TIA
Hazen Woods
Austin, TX USA
eCS and Win2k Pro
what a combination
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From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Mon Aug 4 11:39:43 2003
From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Gregory L. Marx)
Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 06:39:43 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [pmmail-list] Weird looking folder and mail icons ...
In-Reply-To: <200308032034.4939492.6@mail.witworx.com>
Message-ID: <20030804104300.NSFS11703.pop018.verizon.net@localhost>
???
I recently had a major crash on my OS/2 system and had to backlevel PMMERGE.DLL and PMMERGE.SYM to a different version in order to be
able to boot with SNAP version 2.2x build 399 ...
But now my FOLDER and MAIL icons in PMMail appear to be all washed out and weird looking ...
I remember reading about different issues with icons being black boxes under the GRADD drivers but not anything like this ...
Does anyone have any ideas to correct this ???
I can send a screenshot if it would help ...
TIA
Gregory L. Marx
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From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Mon Aug 4 12:37:17 2003
From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Duncan Way)
Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 06:37:17 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [pmmail-list] Weird looking folder and mail icons ...
In-Reply-To: <20030804104300.NSFS11703.pop018.verizon.net@localhost>
Message-ID: <200308041137.h74BbGxH000126@ms-smtp-01.texas.rr.com>
On Mon, 04 Aug 2003 06:39:43 -0400 (EDT), Gregory L. Marx wrote:
>???
>
>I recently had a major crash on my OS/2 system and had to backlevel PMMERGE.DLL and
>PMMERGE.SYM to a different version in order to be
>able to boot with SNAP version 2.2x build 399 ...
>
>But now my FOLDER and MAIL icons in PMMail appear to be all washed out and weird
>looking ...
>I remember reading about different issues with icons being black boxes under the
>GRADD drivers but not anything like this ...
>
>Does anyone have any ideas to correct this ???
>I can send a screenshot if it would help ...
>
Try putting: SET ENH_STRETCH=NO in your config.sys.
Duncan
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From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Mon Aug 4 12:39:50 2003
From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (W. J. Myles)
Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 07:39:50 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [pmmail-list] Weird looking folder and mail icons ...
In-Reply-To: <20030804104300.NSFS11703.pop018.verizon.net@localhost>
Message-ID:
On Mon, 04 Aug 2003 06:39:43 -0400 (EDT), Gregory L. Marx wrote:
>
>But now my FOLDER and MAIL icons in PMMail appear to be all washed out and weird looking ...
>I remember reading about different issues with icons being black boxes under the GRADD drivers but not anything like this ...
>
Been there, still doing that...
Try adding
SET ENH_STRETCH=NO
to your config.sys
good luck
Walter
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From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Mon Aug 4 03:33:45 2003
From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Dr. Jeffrey Race)
Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 09:33:45 +0700
Subject: [pmmail-list] Netscape loads in search mode
Message-ID:
I configured PMMail to load Netscape Communicator 4.61 when right-clicking on
a URL, but the browser loads in some kind of search mode so I can seldom
reach the intended URL. How can I halt this misbehavior? I find nothing
in Communicator's Help Index, or Preferences, about this strange situation.
Jeffrey Race
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From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Mon Aug 4 15:58:07 2003
From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Carl Gehr)
Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 10:58:07 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [pmmail-list] Netscape loads in search mode
In-Reply-To:
Message-ID: <20030804145824.ZPKU26605.smtp02.fuse.net@A30pCG>
On Mon, 04 Aug 2003 09:33:45 +0700, Dr. Jeffrey Race wrote:
>I configured PMMail to load Netscape Communicator 4.61 when right-clicking on
>a URL, but the browser loads in some kind of search mode so I can seldom
>reach the intended URL. How can I halt this misbehavior? I find nothing
>in Communicator's Help Index, or Preferences, about this strange situation.
>
>Jeffrey Race
Check Preferences...
Navigator:
"Navigator starts with..."
Be sure to check to see what you have set for the "HOME" button
location also.
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From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Mon Aug 4 22:52:58 2003
From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Gregory L. Marx)
Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 17:52:58 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [pmmail-list] Weird looking folder and mail icons ...
In-Reply-To: <200308041137.h74BbGxH000126@ms-smtp-01.texas.rr.com>
Message-ID: <20030804215616.TXTD27671.pop017.verizon.net@localhost>
On Mon, 04 Aug 2003 06:37:17 -0500 (CDT), Duncan Way wrote:
>>But now my FOLDER and MAIL icons in PMMail appear to be all washed out and weird
>>looking ...
>>I remember reading about different issues with icons being black boxes under the
>>GRADD drivers but not anything like this ...
>>
>>Does anyone have any ideas to correct this ???
>>I can send a screenshot if it would help ...
>>
>
>Try putting: SET ENH_STRETCH=NO in your config.sys
This worked !!!
Thanks,
Gregory L. Marx
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From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Wed Aug 6 14:22:54 2003
From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Paul Hodges)
Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2003 14:22:54 +0100
Subject: [pmmail-list] SpamFiltering better idea?
In-Reply-To: <200308011006.h71A6N0d004247@kapfge11.medhost.at>
Message-ID:
On Fri, 01 Aug 2003 12:14:28 +0200, Hahn Gerhard wrote:
> Does anybody have a better idea?
Use a POP spam filter to collect your mail through. Lots of cheap
commercial ones, or for free get POPfile from
popfile.sourceforge.net.
Paul Hodges
QBS Software Ltd
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From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Wed Aug 6 14:31:14 2003
From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Oberon)
Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2003 08:31:14 -0500
Subject: [pmmail-list] SpamFiltering better idea?
In-Reply-To:
Message-ID:
On Wed, 06 Aug 2003 14:22:54 +0100, Paul Hodges wrote:
>On Fri, 01 Aug 2003 12:14:28 +0200, Hahn Gerhard wrote:
>
>> Does anybody have a better idea?
>
>Use a POP spam filter to collect your mail through. Lots of cheap
>commercial ones, or for free get POPfile from
>popfile.sourceforge.net.
Go for the free one. POPFile is excellent.
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From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (John Swartzentruber)
Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2003 12:00:41 -0400
Subject: [pmmail-list] SpamFiltering better idea?
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On Wed, 06 Aug 2003 08:31:14 -0500, Oberon wrote:
>Go for the free one. POPFile is excellent.
This is true, but the latest version has a major resource consumption
problem (it is a known problem). There was simple patch posted that
works around the problem. You shouldn't not use POPFile because of the
problem, but unless you can live with losing 4 GDI handles for every
mail fetch, you might want to make the simple patch.
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From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Wed Aug 6 19:06:33 2003
From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Dave)
Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2003 13:06:33 -0500
Subject: [pmmail-list] SpamFiltering better idea?
In-Reply-To: <200308061600.h76G0kf15648@arthur.swartz.primatech.com>
Message-ID:
On Wed, 06 Aug 2003 12:00:41 -0400, John Swartzentruber wrote:
>>Go for the free one. POPFile is excellent.
>
>This is true, but the latest version has a major resource consumption
>problem (it is a known problem). There was simple patch posted that
>works around the problem. You shouldn't not use POPFile because of the
>problem, but unless you can live with losing 4 GDI handles for every
>mail fetch, you might want to make the simple patch.
Hi, based on the discussion previously, I went and DL'd POPFile. Does
the 7-15 build have this problem? I am impressed with the program.
Dave
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From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Wed Aug 6 21:32:22 2003
From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Oberon)
Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2003 15:32:22 -0500
Subject: [pmmail-list] SpamFiltering better idea?
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On Wed, 06 Aug 2003 12:00:41 -0400, John Swartzentruber wrote:
>On Wed, 06 Aug 2003 08:31:14 -0500, Oberon wrote:
>
>>Go for the free one. POPFile is excellent.
>
>This is true, but the latest version has a major resource consumption
>problem (it is a known problem). There was simple patch posted that
>works around the problem. You shouldn't not use POPFile because of the
>problem, but unless you can live with losing 4 GDI handles for every
>mail fetch, you might want to make the simple patch.
I'm not finding the patch, either because I'm looking in the wrong spot or
because I'm an idiot and don't recognize what I'm looking at. Point me
there?
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From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (John Swartzentruber)
Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2003 17:36:12 -0400
Subject: [pmmail-list] SpamFiltering better idea?
In-Reply-To:
Message-ID: <200308062136.h76LaHf19826@arthur.swartz.primatech.com>
On Wed, 06 Aug 2003 13:06:33 -0500, Dave wrote:
>Hi, based on the discussion previously, I went and DL'd POPFile. Does
>the 7-15 build have this problem? I am impressed with the program.
I have the problem with v0.19.1, which I believe is the latest. The
more stable 0.18 versions are still available and don't have the same
problem.
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From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Wed Aug 6 22:38:31 2003
From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (John Swartzentruber)
Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2003 17:38:31 -0400
Subject: [pmmail-list] SpamFiltering better idea?
In-Reply-To:
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On Wed, 06 Aug 2003 15:32:22 -0500, Oberon wrote:
>I'm not finding the patch, either because I'm looking in the wrong spot or
>because I'm an idiot and don't recognize what I'm looking at. Point me
>there?
It was posted as part of the bug report in SourceForge, so probably
isn't really publicly available as a patch. The bug item is #758353.
This is what was posted by a user:
>Comment By: Jan Steinhardt (janst)
>Date: 2003-06-28 16:42
>
>Message:
>Logged In: YES
>user_id=529340
>
>I think it is a problem with the trayicon that has been
>introduced in 0.19.
>
>If you don't need the tray icon, you should insert the
>line "return 1;" at the beginning of the sub service in
>Platform\MSWin32.pm.
>
>sub service
>{
> return 1; # <---- Insert this line!!!
>
> my ( $self ) = @_;
>
> if ( !$self->config_( 'trayicon' ) ) {
> return 1;
> }
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From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Wed Aug 6 22:43:02 2003
From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Dave)
Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2003 16:43:02 -0500
Subject: [pmmail-list] SpamFiltering better idea?
In-Reply-To: <200308062136.h76LaHf19826@arthur.swartz.primatech.com>
Message-ID:
On Wed, 06 Aug 2003 17:36:12 -0400, John Swartzentruber wrote:
>I have the problem with v0.19.1, which I believe is the latest. The
>more stable 0.18 versions are still available and don't have the same
>problem.
Version 0.19.1 has gained about 10MB in the last three hours, checking
two accounts every 3 minutes each. This seems pretty manageable for
my system, but I am thinking about it now. As I use it more, I will
probably forget and eventually experience a slowdown.
Is the 0.18 family able to use my 0.19 settings?
Dave
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From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Thu Aug 7 01:37:12 2003
From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (John Swartzentruber)
Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2003 20:37:12 -0400
Subject: [pmmail-list] SpamFiltering better idea?
In-Reply-To:
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On Wed, 06 Aug 2003 16:43:02 -0500, Dave wrote:
>Version 0.19.1 has gained about 10MB in the last three hours, checking
>two accounts every 3 minutes each. This seems pretty manageable for
>my system, but I am thinking about it now. As I use it more, I will
>probably forget and eventually experience a slowdown.
There is also a problem in wperl.exe that consumes memory (separate
from the GDI resource problem). Every day or so, I stop POPFile, then
restart it. That clears up wperl.
>Is the 0.18 family able to use my 0.19 settings?
I think you need to train it again.
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From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Hahn Gerhard)
Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2003 10:39:28 +0200
Subject: [pmmail-list] SpamFiltering better idea?
In-Reply-To:
Message-ID: <200308070831.h778VFhB014923@kapfge11.medhost.at>
On Wed, 06 Aug 2003 14:22:54 +0100, Paul Hodges wrote:
> or for free get POPfile from
>popfile.sourceforge.net.
Thx to all.
I knew the popfile, as it was mentioned several times on this list.
Of course it would be the best way, but I spent some minutes to find
out where is the limit for Pmmail to handle this.
So my question should be read as 'do you know a better way with
Pmmail'?
baba
gerhard
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From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Thu Aug 7 12:32:21 2003
From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (John Bridges)
Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2003 04:32:21 -0700
Subject: [pmmail-list] SpamFiltering better idea?
In-Reply-To:
Message-ID: <20030807113223.12CB84873C@mail1.panix.com>
On Fri, 01 Aug 2003 12:14:28 +0200, Hahn Gerhard wrote:
>
> Does anybody have a better idea?
I recommend SAProxy, a windows proxy for SpamAssassin. It's free and open
source.
SpamAssassin has the baysian filtering like POPfile, but also a huge range of
other spam detecting options that work in concern to automaticly improve the
baysian database.
Or even better, run it on your mailserver if you have access. SpamAssassin is
written in Perl.
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From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Hazen Woods)
Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2003 08:16:22 -0500
Subject: [pmmail-list] SpamFiltering better idea?
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Message-ID: <200308071312.h77DCH213950@hiram.io.com>
On Thu, 07 Aug 2003 10:39:28 +0200, Hahn Gerhard wrote:
>>On Wed, 06 Aug 2003 14:22:54 +0100, Paul Hodges wrote:
>>
>>> or for free get POPfile from
>>>popfile.sourceforge.net.
>>Thx to all.
>>I knew the popfile, as it was mentioned several times on this list.
>>
>>Of course it would be the best way, but I spent some minutes to find
>>out where is the limit for Pmmail to handle this.
Getting into this thread late, so may have missed something. However I use POPFile with PMMail
(w2K) with no problem and have downloaded the perl version to use with eCS, but haven't attempted
to figure out how to install that one. Works great here.
>>So my question should be read as 'do you know a better way with
>>Pmmail'?
>>baba
>>
>>gerhard
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From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Thu Aug 7 16:23:42 2003
From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Carl Gehr)
Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2003 11:23:42 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [pmmail-list] SpamFiltering better idea?
In-Reply-To: <200308071312.h77DCH213950@hiram.io.com>
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On Thu, 07 Aug 2003 08:16:22 -0500, Hazen Woods wrote:
>. . .have downloaded the perl version to use with eCS, but haven't attempted
>to figure out how to install that one.
Hazen,
That caught my eye as well. Please do report back here when you've
made some progress on eCS with PMMail/2. I have three systems [users]
who need just what this seems to offer. I just do not currently have
the time to experiment.
Thanks,
Carl
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From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Thu Aug 7 18:44:31 2003
From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Dave Saville)
Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2003 18:44:31 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [pmmail-list] SpamFiltering better idea?
In-Reply-To: <200308071312.h77DCH213950@hiram.io.com>
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On Thu, 07 Aug 2003 08:16:22 -0500, Hazen Woods wrote:
>Getting into this thread late, so may have missed something. However I use POPFile with PMMail
>(w2K) with no problem and have downloaded the perl version to use with eCS, but haven't attempted
>to figure out how to install that one. Works great here.
I tried popfile on a warp 4 fp15 system with perl 5.8.0. You need
netscape to configure because Mozilla does not seem to understand the
built in server to get to the admin stuff. It hangs a lot and of my
two email accounts it positively refused to connect to the main NTL
one. Always saying rejected because of bad password - but it was the
same id/password as pmmail was using direct. I modified the code to
see what it was sending and it was correct.
I gave up :-(
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From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Mon Aug 11 10:10:36 2003
From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Dave Saville)
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 10:10:36 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [pmmail-list] virus kills pmmail
Message-ID: <20030811091524.NXR25721.mta01-svc.ntlworld.com@pooh>
I am using pmmail2.10.2010 OS/2 version. I also use Norman AV. Today
I got sent a, spam with a worm in it. NAV caught the worm but pmmail
closes.
Every time I restart pmmail it refetches the offending mail and
crashes. I can't open the message to see what the mail is.
I disabled my network connection, started pmmail, enabled the LAN &
went to remote control and deleted everything that looked like spam.
Luckily there were *only* 100 message to plough through - 'cos I
can't read the bloddy mail to find the subject :-(
PMmail should handle this more gracefully - or is it a problem with
Norman?
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From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Mon Aug 11 19:49:43 2003
From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Steve Barber)
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 14:49:43 -0400
Subject: [pmmail-list] virus kills pmmail
In-Reply-To: <20030811091524.NXR25721.mta01-svc.ntlworld.com@pooh>
Message-ID:
On Mon, 11 Aug 2003 10:10:36 +0100 (BST), Dave Saville
wrote:
>I am using pmmail2.10.2010 OS/2 version. I also use Norman AV. Today
>I got sent a, spam with a worm in it. NAV caught the worm but pmmail
>closes.
>
>Every time I restart pmmail it refetches the offending mail and
>crashes. I can't open the message to see what the mail is.
>
Exactly the same thing happend to me ... a LOT (several
times a week) .... when I was running a dialup through
attglobal.net ... and I could avoid it in the same way you
did.
But it has not happened to me in about 8 months (since I
switched to earthlink.net cable) ... I was using the ISP
supplied SPAM blockers in both cases, and I still
occasionally receive viruses, that Norton trapped, but I
haven't had that problem since the switch to earthlink
cable. Don't know if it's just luck, the different SPAM
blocker or some other aspect of the ISP that's saving me.
But is sure is nice to not have that problem any more.
SteveB
>I disabled my network connection, started pmmail, enabled the LAN &
>went to remote control and deleted everything that looked like spam.
>Luckily there were *only* 100 message to plough through - 'cos I
>can't read the bloddy mail to find the subject :-(
>
>PMmail should handle this more gracefully - or is it a problem with
>Norman?
>
>--
>Regards
>
>Dave Saville
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From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Mon Aug 11 19:50:16 2003
From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Bruce Francis)
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 14:50:16 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [pmmail-list] virus kills pmmail
In-Reply-To: <20030811091524.NXR25721.mta01-svc.ntlworld.com@pooh>
Message-ID: <20030811185030.F04D345419@texas.pobox.com>
On Mon, 11 Aug 2003 10:10:36 +0100 (BST), Dave Saville wrote:
>I am using pmmail2.10.2010 OS/2 version. I also use Norman AV. Today
>I got sent a, spam with a worm in it. NAV caught the worm but pmmail
>closes.
>
>Every time I restart pmmail it refetches the offending mail and
>crashes. I can't open the message to see what the mail is.
>
>PMmail should handle this more gracefully - or is it a problem with
>Norman?
It's a long-standing (was going to say "known", but as I think of it
I've never received any confirmation back from BSW from all the
complaints, attached messages that crash PMMail/2, etc, that I've
sent over the past 2 years about this problem) issue with PMMail/2.
I now have PMMail configured such that I can start it up in Remote
Control. I then make a pass thru and delete all the obvious spam.
Before, it would invariably crash several times/week. Now it's not so bad.
(The problem still exists, and I have some examples should BSW be
interested in fixing it.)
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From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Tue Aug 12 07:56:50 2003
From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Dave Saville)
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 07:56:50 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [pmmail-list] virus kills pmmail
In-Reply-To: <20030811185030.F04D345419@texas.pobox.com>
Message-ID: <20030812065905.IPYE25721.mta01-svc.ntlworld.com@pooh>
On Mon, 11 Aug 2003 14:50:16 -0400 (EDT), Bruce Francis wrote:
>It's a long-standing (was going to say "known", but as I think of it
>I've never received any confirmation back from BSW from all the
>complaints, attached messages that crash PMMail/2, etc, that I've
>sent over the past 2 years about this problem) issue with PMMail/2.
>
>I now have PMMail configured such that I can start it up in Remote
>Control. I then make a pass thru and delete all the obvious spam.
>Before, it would invariably crash several times/week. Now it's not so bad.
>
I also contacted Norman, and there is a new version due soon that
will at least delete the mail before pmmail sees it. According to
Norman support "A program trying to open a file that we find infected
will get error 5 (access denied) in return."
Now to my simple mind I suspect that what is happening inside pmmail
is that it *knows* it just wrote xyzzy123.MSG and when it can't read
back what it *knows* is there it craps out. ie they have not
correctly coded checking return codes from open because "we just
wrote the file it *must* be there and *must* have opened OK". They
then go on and read from a closed file handle or something and fall
over.
Most likely this explains a good percentage of "spam kills pmmail"
problems. Now who gets killer spam and has *no* AV in place?
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From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Tue Aug 12 13:35:34 2003
From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Robert Traynor (BobT))
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 22:35:34 +1000
Subject: [pmmail-list] virus kills pmmail
In-Reply-To: <20030812065905.IPYE25721.mta01-svc.ntlworld.com@pooh>
Message-ID: <200308121233.h7CCXaO29389@mail020.syd.optusnet.com.au>
On Tue, 12 Aug 2003 07:56:50 +0100 (BST), Dave Saville wrote:
> On Mon, 11 Aug 2003 14:50:16 -0400 (EDT), Bruce Francis wrote:
>
> >It's a long-standing (was going to say "known", but as I think of it
> >I've never received any confirmation back from BSW from all the
> >complaints, attached messages that crash PMMail/2, etc, that I've
> >sent over the past 2 years about this problem) issue with PMMail/2.
> >
> >I now have PMMail configured such that I can start it up in Remote
> >Control. I then make a pass thru and delete all the obvious spam.
> >Before, it would invariably crash several times/week. Now it's not so bad.
> >
>
> I also contacted Norman, and there is a new version due soon that
> will at least delete the mail before pmmail sees it. According to
> Norman support "A program trying to open a file that we find infected
> will get error 5 (access denied) in return."
>
> Now to my simple mind I suspect that what is happening inside pmmail
> is that it *knows* it just wrote xyzzy123.MSG and when it can't read
> back what it *knows* is there it craps out. ie they have not
> correctly coded checking return codes from open because "we just
> wrote the file it *must* be there and *must* have opened OK". They
> then go on and read from a closed file handle or something and fall
> over.
>
> Most likely this explains a good percentage of "spam kills pmmail"
> problems. Now who gets killer spam and has *no* AV in place?
ME.
You are probably right. I never have any problems at all, ever.
I don't bother with any antivirus programs from os/2, only when I am
in windows 98se and XP. When I receive email with
worms attached or viruses, they come in with no problems.
Spam also comes in with regular monotony.
All problem mail is easily identified and deleted manually AFTER
downloading.
> Regards
> Dave Saville
Regards,
Robert Traynor (BobT).
12 August 2003 22:33
[replying from winXP at this moment]
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From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Tue Aug 12 13:44:03 2003
From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Dave)
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 07:44:03 -0500
Subject: [pmmail-list] virus kills pmmail
In-Reply-To: <20030812065905.IPYE25721.mta01-svc.ntlworld.com@pooh>
Message-ID:
>Most likely this explains a good percentage of "spam kills pmmail"
>problems. Now who gets killer spam and has *no* AV in place?
Just to add to the knowledge base, McAfee Online also killed PMMail on
my WinXP-based computer, even though I don't save the attachments. It
apparently is parsing the Mime or UU-encoding to peek inside the
email. If I find PMMail dying, I turn off the McAfee Online scanner,
retrieve the mail, delete it, then re-enable the scanner.
The McAfee VirusScan TC On-Access Scanner has no such problems on my
Win2K office box. Of course, I don't write the attachments out so I
don't actually create a virus file.
Dying with the Online scanner happens so regularly that I think of it
as a feature, not a bug. :-(
Dave
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From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Tue Aug 12 14:18:35 2003
From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Steve Barber)
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 09:18:35 -0400
Subject: [pmmail-list] virus kills pmmail
In-Reply-To: <20030812065905.IPYE25721.mta01-svc.ntlworld.com@pooh>
Message-ID:
On Tue, 12 Aug 2003 07:56:50 +0100 (BST), Dave Saville
wrote:
>Most likely this explains a good percentage of "spam kills pmmail"
>problems. Now who gets killer spam and has *no* AV in place?
>
>--
>Regards
>
>Dave Saville
All my pmmail spam crashes (when I was using attglobal
dialup) occurred with an active Norton 2003.
I'm still using the same Norton 2003, but have had ZERO
problems with my new (for 8 months now) earthlink cable.
As I said, it may be the spam filters at attglobal weren't
blocking the problem, but the spam filters at earthlink do
...
In any case, it didn't seem to matter that Norton AV was
active. PMMail would crash when it encountered the
problematic spam on download.
I hope you are right that the PMMail problem will be fixed.
SteveB
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From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Tue Aug 12 17:39:17 2003
From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Richard)
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 11:39:17 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [pmmail-list] virus kills pmmail
In-Reply-To: <20030812065905.IPYE25721.mta01-svc.ntlworld.com@pooh>
Message-ID:
On Tue, 12 Aug 2003 07:56:50 +0100 (BST), Dave Saville wrote:
>Most likely this explains a good percentage of "spam kills pmmail"
>problems. Now who gets killer spam and has *no* AV in place?
My wife. We've narrowed it down to a funny leading charictor in
the subject. A hyphen or a ">". She goes to remote controle,
deletes the offender and downloads the rest. No virus detector.
No virus present.
//------------------------
// Richard Epps
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From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Tue Aug 12 17:46:29 2003
From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Alex Taylor)
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 12:46:29 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [pmmail-list] virus kills pmmail
In-Reply-To: <20030812130354.WTOS468468.fep03-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com@mail.bmtmicro.com>
Message-ID: <20030812164532.MABR392870.fep04-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com@ifurita>
On Tue, 12 Aug 2003 07:56:50 +0100 (BST), "Dave Saville" wrote:
>>It's a long-standing (was going to say "known", but as I think of it
>>I've never received any confirmation back from BSW from all the
>>complaints, attached messages that crash PMMail/2, etc, that I've
>>sent over the past 2 years about this problem) issue with PMMail/2.
>
>I also contacted Norman, and there is a new version due soon that
>will at least delete the mail before pmmail sees it. According to
>Norman support "A program trying to open a file that we find infected
>will get error 5 (access denied) in return."
>
>Now to my simple mind I suspect that what is happening inside pmmail
>is that it *knows* it just wrote xyzzy123.MSG and when it can't read
>back what it *knows* is there it craps out. ie they have not
>correctly coded checking return codes from open because "we just
>wrote the file it *must* be there and *must* have opened OK". They
>then go on and read from a closed file handle or something and fall
>over.
>
>Most likely this explains a good percentage of "spam kills pmmail"
>problems. Now who gets killer spam and has *no* AV in place?
I get 'killer spam' all the time in PMMail/2, and I have no AV at all.
In general, the messages that cause PMMail/2 to crash all seem to have null
subjects. However, it can't _just_ be that which causes it, because some
null-subject messages don't cause the crash.
Fortunately, almost all my spam goes to the now-deprecated email address
which I used on all my public newsgroup postings for years... nowawdays I
just check it every few weeks, and always use Remote Control. (It gets
about 400 spam and maybe 1 good mail per week.)
--
Alex Taylor
http://eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca/~alex
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From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Tue Aug 12 18:17:36 2003
From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Steve Barber)
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 13:17:36 -0400
Subject: [pmmail-list] virus kills pmmail
In-Reply-To:
Message-ID:
On Tue, 12 Aug 2003 11:39:17 -0500 (CDT), Richard wrote:
>On Tue, 12 Aug 2003 07:56:50 +0100 (BST), Dave Saville wrote:
>
>>Most likely this explains a good percentage of "spam kills pmmail"
>>problems. Now who gets killer spam and has *no* AV in place?
>
>My wife. We've narrowed it down to a funny leading charictor in
>the subject. A hyphen or a ">". She goes to remote controle,
>deletes the offender and downloads the rest. No virus detector.
> No virus present.
>//------------------------
>// Richard Epps
My recollection was that the offending message was almost
always SPAM, but didn't necessarily contain a virus. My
guess was it was something hosed in the header of some SPAM
that pmmail couldn't handle.
SteveB
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From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Tue Aug 12 19:50:30 2003
From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Stephen Eickhoff)
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 14:50:30 -0400
Subject: [pmmail-list] (11) ERROR: Unknown field specifier (SIZE) in the Whole Message Search
Message-ID: <20030812185023.FTKB12592.out001.verizon.net@purcell.operagost.local>
I get the error '(11) ERROR: Unknown field specifier (SIZE) in the Whole
Message Search (MESSAGE.SIZE>"200000")' if I try to filter or search on message
size. This is even if I use the exact ICSL example given in help, which is:
message.size>"20000"
"Size" is the ONLY field specifier allowed for "Message", so I'm stumped! Just
for fun, I've tried putting parentheses around the expression and dropping the
quotes. This is Windows build 2717.
----------------------------------
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operagost@email.com
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From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Tue Aug 12 21:01:18 2003
From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Ralph Cohen)
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 16:01:18 -0400
Subject: [pmmail-list] (11) ERROR: Unknown field specifier (SIZE) in the Whole Message Search
Message-ID:
It's broken in the recent betas.
Ralph Cohen
On Tue, 12 Aug 2003 14:50:30 -0400, Stephen Eickhoff wrote:
>I get the error '(11) ERROR: Unknown field specifier (SIZE) in the Whole
>Message Search (MESSAGE.SIZE>"200000")' if I try to filter or search on message
>size. This is even if I use the exact ICSL example given in help, which is:
>
>message.size>"20000"
>
>"Size" is the ONLY field specifier allowed for "Message", so I'm stumped! Just
>for fun, I've tried putting parentheses around the expression and dropping the
>quotes. This is Windows build 2717.
>----------------------------------
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From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Wed Aug 13 06:46:21 2003
From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Ralph Cohen)
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 01:46:21 -0400
Subject: [pmmail-list] (11) ERROR: Unknown field specifier (SIZE) in the Whole Message Search
In-Reply-To: <20030812185023.FTKB12592.out001.verizon.net@purcell.operagost.local>
Message-ID:
Hi,
Just to clarify my earlier response, the recent betas are "broken" with
regard to the message size filter in that you will receive the error
you cited when you try to save a filter that uses that parameter.
However, the PMMail will still properly utilize pre-existing filters
using the message size parameter and you can also create new filters
that use it by manually editing the FILTERS.LST file for the account.
Ralph Cohen
On Tue, 12 Aug 2003 14:50:30 -0400, Stephen Eickhoff wrote:
>I get the error '(11) ERROR: Unknown field specifier (SIZE) in the Whole
>Message Search (MESSAGE.SIZE>"200000")' if I try to filter or search on message
>size. This is even if I use the exact ICSL example given in help, which is:
>
>message.size>"20000"
>
>"Size" is the ONLY field specifier allowed for "Message", so I'm stumped! Just
>for fun, I've tried putting parentheses around the expression and dropping the
>quotes. This is Windows build 2717.
>----------------------------------
> Stephen Eickhoff
> operagost@email.com
>----------------------------------
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From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Wed Aug 13 13:28:34 2003
From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (B. J. Myles)
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 08:28:34 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [pmmail-list] virus kills pmmail
In-Reply-To:
Message-ID:
On Tue, 12 Aug 2003 13:17:36 -0400, Steve Barber wrote:
>
>My recollection was that the offending message was almost
>always SPAM, but didn't necessarily contain a virus. My
>guess was it was something hosed in the header of some SPAM
>that pmmail couldn't handle.
I have a "Killer HTML" filter which is the first filter in the list
even before my virus filters. I don't know if this will help since
it was a problem from a long time ago that might have been fixed.
Nothing recently has triggered the filter.
!(Header.Toid="$c.acctid$" | Header.Cc="$c.acctid$")
&
(Header.Content-Type="html")
&
(Body="LANGUAGE="JavaScript">lpVeclpV=")
then
Set Status --> Read
Move Message --> Spam
Inform User
HTH
Walter
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From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Wed Aug 13 13:38:12 2003
From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Patrick R. Sklenar)
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 08:38:12 -0400
Subject: [pmmail-list] Filter question - possible to add BCC header to outgoing email?
Message-ID: <200308131238.h7DCcFl13516@mailinbound.uhc.com>
per the subject, is it possible to add a BCC header to outgoing email
via a complex filter? If so, how? I use "simple" filters extensively,
but have no experience with "complex" ones.
thanks,
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From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Wed Aug 13 16:57:01 2003
From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Steve Marvin)
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 11:57:01 -0400
Subject: [pmmail-list] Filter question - possible to add BCC header to outgoing email?
In-Reply-To: <200308131238.h7DCcFl13516@mailinbound.uhc.com>
Message-ID:
On Wed, 13 Aug 2003 08:38:12 -0400, Patrick R. Sklenar wrote:
>
>per the subject, is it possible to add a BCC header to outgoing email
>via a complex filter? If so, how? I use "simple" filters extensively,
>but have no experience with "complex" ones.
>
>thanks,
>pat----
>
You would have to use the outgoing filter to call a program
(executable, batch, rexx, perl...) which would add the header.
It would be nice to have an addition to the filter actions on
outgoing filters "Add Header" with a box to put a list of
the headers to add.
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From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Wed Aug 13 17:02:49 2003
From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Bruce Francis)
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 12:02:49 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [pmmail-list] virus kills pmmail
In-Reply-To:
Message-ID: <20030813160255.2FC7045356@texas.pobox.com>
On Wed, 13 Aug 2003 08:28:34 -0400 (EDT), B. J. Myles wrote:
>I have a "Killer HTML" filter which is the first filter in the list
>even before my virus filters. I don't know if this will help since
>it was a problem from a long time ago that might have been fixed.
>Nothing recently has triggered the filter.
I have that filter also (written by Trevor [whatever happened to ...])
but this is a different problem, as that filter does not help.
---
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From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Wed Aug 13 17:14:17 2003
From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Gary DiPillo)
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 12:14:17 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [pmmail-list] Filter question - possible to add BCC header to outgoing email?
In-Reply-To:
Message-ID: <20030813161420.F21C810DE26@coopers.dsl.net>
This alternative might work for you. We use this in our office to
automatically route a copy of certain e-mails to an internal archive
address. It is transparent to all.
If the address for the Bcc: is fixed, you can use the Bounce function
to automatically send an outgoing mail to a second address and no
headers need to be added.
On Wed, 13 Aug 2003 11:57:01 -0400, Steve Marvin wrote:
>On Wed, 13 Aug 2003 08:38:12 -0400, Patrick R. Sklenar wrote:
>
>>
>>per the subject, is it possible to add a BCC header to outgoing email
>>via a complex filter? If so, how? I use "simple" filters extensively,
>>but have no experience with "complex" ones.
>>
>>thanks,
>>pat----
>>
>
>
>You would have to use the outgoing filter to call a program
>(executable, batch, rexx, perl...) which would add the header.
>
>It would be nice to have an addition to the filter actions on
>outgoing filters "Add Header" with a box to put a list of
>the headers to add.
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From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Wed Aug 13 17:15:50 2003
From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Patrick R. Sklenar)
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 12:15:50 -0400
Subject: [pmmail-list] Filter question - possible to add BCC header to outgoing email?
In-Reply-To:
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On Wed, 13 Aug 2003 11:57:01 -0400, Steve Marvin wrote:
> You would have to use the outgoing filter to call a program
> (executable, batch, rexx, perl...) which would add the header.
rats. :(
> It would be nice to have an addition to the filter actions on
> outgoing filters "Add Header" with a box to put a list of
> the headers to add.
yep, then even *I* could figure out how to do it! :)
Thanks for the reply, t'is greatly appreciated!
--
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From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Ralph Cohen)
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 19:36:43 -0400
Subject: [pmmail-list] Stupid PMMail Tricks
Message-ID:
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From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Thu Aug 14 01:23:33 2003
From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Steve Barber)
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 20:23:33 -0400
Subject: [pmmail-list] Stupid PMMail Tricks
In-Reply-To:
Message-ID:
On Wed, 13 Aug 2003 19:36:43 -0400, Ralph Cohen wrote:
>See, it's not a bug, it's a feature!!
>
Maybe ... but that's more like calling a giant WART on your
nose a "feature".
The best part of the PMMail spellchecker is that you can
turn the damned thing off. I find it worth LESS than
nothing.
SteveB
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From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Tim Roberts)
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 17:22:26 -0700
Subject: [pmmail-list] Stupid PMMail Tricks
In-Reply-To:
Message-ID: <200308140022.h7E0MOG16814@probo.probo.com>
On Wed, 13 Aug 2003 19:36:43 -0400, Ralph Cohen wrote:
>
>The best thing about PMMail's spelling checker is the fun you can have
>trying to figure out exactly what "logic" it uses to present
>alternatives to a misspelled word. For instance, I misspelled the word
>"document" writing "documemt" instead, and the replacement suggested by
>the spelling checker was "tagmeme" followed by "tagmemics", "tagmemes",
>etc. Two questions immediately sprang to mind. First, what kind of
>programming logic does it take to recommend "tagmeme" as the correct
>spelling of "documemt"
Soundex. It's an algorithm that converts words to a "code" that basically
encodes how the word sounds. It ignores vowels completely, and sound-alike
consonants (d and t; c, g, and k) get grouped together. If you think about the
way you would pronounce the invented word "docmemt", suddenly "tagmeme" doesn't
seem so strange.
Soundex is a great algorithm for matching things like last names, where you
might only have heard it pronounced. It's not so good for fixing typos.
--
- Tim Roberts, timr@probo.com
Providenza & Boekelheide, Inc.
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From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Thu Aug 14 20:43:58 2003
From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Ralph Cohen)
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 15:43:58 -0400
Subject: [pmmail-list] Stupid PMMail Tricks
In-Reply-To: <200308140022.h7E0MOG16814@probo.probo.com>
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On Wed, 13 Aug 2003 17:22:26 -0700, Tim Roberts wrote:
>Soundex is a great algorithm for matching things like last names, where you
>might only have heard it pronounced. It's not so good for fixing typos.
Thanks for the explanation. I guess that means we should be surprised
whenever the spelling checker _does_ suggest an appropriate correct
spelling.
Ralph Cohen
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From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Thu Aug 14 20:49:10 2003
From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Patrick R. Sklenar)
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 15:49:10 -0400
Subject: [pmmail-list] Filter question - possible to add BCC header to outgoing email?
In-Reply-To: <20030813161420.F21C810DE26@coopers.dsl.net>
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On Wed, 13 Aug 2003 12:14:17 -0400 (EDT), Gary DiPillo wrote:
> If the address for the Bcc: is fixed, you can use the Bounce function
> to automatically send an outgoing mail to a second address and no
> headers need to be added.
works perfectly! thank you very much!!!
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From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Sat Aug 16 11:49:47 2003
From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Dave Saville)
Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 11:49:47 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [pmmail-list] filter copy
Message-ID: <20030816105327.MDVH3711.mta06-svc.ntlworld.com@pooh>
Is there any way to take a set of filters from account a and put them
into account b?
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From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Sat Aug 16 12:23:41 2003
From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Hahn Gerhard)
Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 13:23:41 +0200
Subject: [pmmail-list] filter copy
In-Reply-To: <20030816105327.MDVH3711.mta06-svc.ntlworld.com@pooh>
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On Sat, 16 Aug 2003 11:49:47 +0100 (BST), Dave Saville wrote:
>Is there any way to take a set of filters from account a and put them
>into account b?
Try copy 'FILTERS.LST'.
Just an idea.
baba
gerhard
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From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Sat Aug 16 12:30:53 2003
From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Norbert Schmidt)
Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 13:30:53 +0200
Subject: [pmmail-list] filter copy
In-Reply-To: <200308161115.h7GBFIoo017109@kapfge11.medhost.at>
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Hello Gerhard, Dave,
>>Is there any way to take a set of filters from account a and put them
>>into account b?
>Try copy 'FILTERS.LST'.
>Just an idea.
can't work for filters that copy or move something. Might be confusing
for PMMail. Other filters should copy ok.
Regards,
Norbert
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From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Sat Aug 16 12:56:45 2003
From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Hahn Gerhard)
Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 13:56:45 +0200
Subject: [pmmail-list] filter copy
In-Reply-To: F2gETLx.lP3c6.pmmail@n-schmidt.inka.de
Message-ID: <200308161148.h7GBmNoo017270@kapfge11.medhost.at>
On Sat, 16 Aug 2003 13:30:53 +0200, Norbert Schmidt wrote:
>Hello Gerhard, Dave,
>
>>>Is there any way to take a set of filters from account a and put them
>>>into account b?
>>Try copy 'FILTERS.LST'.
>>Just an idea.
>
>can't work for filters that copy or move something. Might be confusing
>for PMMail. Other filters should copy ok.
But if the names of the target folders are the same?
baba
gerhard
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From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Sat Aug 16 13:29:18 2003
From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Robert Dahlem)
Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 14:29:18 +0200
Subject: [pmmail-list] filter copy
In-Reply-To: <200308161148.h7GBmNoo017270@kapfge11.medhost.at>
Message-ID:
On Sat, 16 Aug 2003 13:56:45 +0200, Hahn Gerhard wrote:
>>>>Is there any way to take a set of filters from account a and put
>>>>them into account b?
>>>Try copy 'FILTERS.LST'.
>>can't work for filters that copy or move something. Might be
>>confusing for PMMail. Other filters should copy ok.
>But if the names of the target folders are the same?
Ever found a folder name in FILTERS.LST?
Regards,
Robert
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From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Sat Aug 16 14:30:37 2003
From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Hahn Gerhard)
Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 15:30:37 +0200
Subject: [pmmail-list] filter copy
In-Reply-To:
Message-ID: <200308161322.h7GDMDoo017661@kapfge11.medhost.at>
On Sat, 16 Aug 2003 14:29:18 +0200, Robert Dahlem wrote:
>>>can't work for filters that copy or move something. Might be
>>>confusing for PMMail. Other filters should copy ok.
>
>>But if the names of the target folders are the same?
>
>Ever found a folder name in FILTERS.LST?
So it remains an idea...
baba
gerhard
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From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Sat Aug 16 14:35:08 2003
From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (John Swartzentruber)
Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 09:35:08 -0400
Subject: [pmmail-list] filter copy
In-Reply-To: <200308161322.h7GDMDoo017661@kapfge11.medhost.at>
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On Sat, 16 Aug 2003 15:30:37 +0200, Hahn Gerhard wrote:
>>>But if the names of the target folders are the same?
>>
>>Ever found a folder name in FILTERS.LST?
>So it remains an idea...
Filters have numeric IDs. Even if the names are the sames, it won't
work. If the filters are complex, it might work to copy it and then
edit each one to set the folder, but it work without doing the extra
work.
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From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Sat Aug 16 18:41:24 2003
From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Ralph Cohen)
Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 13:41:24 -0400
Subject: [pmmail-list] filter copy
In-Reply-To: <20030816105327.MDVH3711.mta06-svc.ntlworld.com@pooh>
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On Sat, 16 Aug 2003 11:49:47 +0100 (BST), Dave Saville wrote:
>Is there any way to take a set of filters from account a and put them
>into account b?
>
Hi Dave,
I've copied filters from one FILTER.LST file to another and they've
worked fine. I've never tried copying the entire FILTER.LST file but
it would be simple to test - just back up the original file. The only
'gotcha' I can see is if your filter moves a message to another folder.
Since you're in a different account, you would have to make sure the
folder exists and then determine its ID number and copy it into the
filter's line in the FILTER.LST file in place of the original
identifier.
Ralph
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From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Wed Aug 20 06:49:41 2003
From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Marty Rimpau)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 22:49:41 -0700
Subject: [pmmail-list] what is the purpose of reindexing?
Message-ID:
Hi list, I have a problem, and I believe it is caused by my screen
reader, window-eyes, but trying to convince them of this is like
needlessly knocking your head against the wall, and the problem is
this, that when I tab from the list view of messages to the preview
pane of a given message with either winamp, or real player streaming,
or playing a .mp3, the stream or .mp3 cuts out, and it doesn't do this
with windows media player, yet, I can press the hot key assigned to
read to end for my screen reader, and this doesn't happen, and I have
not reindexed the folders and such in a long time, so I hid the idea to
reindex while a stream from real player was going, and while in the
window, the stream was studdering and stammering, yet, when I alt
tabbed back to winamp, since I have it playing real media streams, this
studdering stopped, and was wondering, if either corrupt messages, or
something like this might cause pm mail to exhibit this behaviour?
This behaviour is very frustrating to me, and I have well over 3000
messages in my saved folder, for future reference, but if a message is
corrupted, or something like that, might that cause pm mail to exhibit
this behaviour? If there is a setting to make pm mail use less c p u
resources, where is it, because, for me, I don't care about nice
looking messages, but want to know why this annoying behaviour is
manifesting itself? After reindexing everything, I found messages in
my sent folder, and my out box, which I deleted, but what can I do if
possible to repair pm mail, and make it perform with best results,
since this annoying streaming problem doesn't happen with windows media
player, just with winamp, and real player? Now, I can get around this
in winamp by switching to the direct sound output plug-in, but I record
something every day, and with the direct sound output plug-in, the
stream skips, and does not start at the beginning like it should,
forcing me to go back to the nullsoft waveoutput plug-in. If there is
anything in pm mail that is corrupted, what can I do to repair it,
because this is not a processor issue since this behaviour is not
exhibited with windows media player, but wish to find a solution to
this problem. I'm using windows 98 se, 192 megs of ram, a 400 megs
processor, and pm mail version 2717. I believe I got pm mail version
2010 back in 2000, but darn if I know what is making it act like this.
This may not help, since people won't be familiar with screen readers,
but I am using window-eyes 4.5, beta 3, but it has been like this no
matter which version of pm mail and window-eyes I use. Somebody has to
have a solution, with all the programming engineers on the list.
Thanks in advance for any assistance you can give.
Marty
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From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Wed Aug 20 15:25:53 2003
From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Dean Boulding)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 21:25:53 +0700
Subject: [pmmail-list] bcc: Inconvenience
In-Reply-To: <200308141949.h7EJnCH15295@mailinbound.uhc.com>
Message-ID: <0HJX006IZ8GV69@imsmta2.indosat.net.id>
Since Pat is talking about bcc data, I just noticed a small weakness in PMMail
today.
If you try to reopen a message from the "Sent Mail" folder with bcc addresses, you
cannot see who the actual recipients (i.e. those who were "blind-carbon_copied"
were. I can copy or move the message to the Drafts folder and clicking on the
cc/bcc toggle will cause the addresses to appear, so they are stored somewhere.
What would be ideal, from my point of view, would be a way to do this while
reviewing a message from the usual folder (Sent Mail).
For version 2005 or later, probably, but I thought I'd note it.
Dean
On Thu, 14 Aug 2003 15:49:10 -0400, Patrick R. Sklenar wrote:
|On Wed, 13 Aug 2003 12:14:17 -0400 (EDT), Gary DiPillo wrote:
|
|> If the address for the Bcc: is fixed, you can use the Bounce function
|> to automatically send an outgoing mail to a second address and no
|> headers need to be added.
|
| works perfectly! thank you very much!!!
|
| pat----
|
Dean Boulding, Jennifer Crocker, and kids
Jakarta Indonesia
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From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Wed Aug 20 15:50:08 2003
From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Patrick R. Sklenar)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 10:50:08 -0400
Subject: [pmmail-list] bcc: Inconvenience
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On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 21:25:53 +0700, Dean Boulding wrote:
> If you try to reopen a message from the "Sent Mail" folder with bcc addresses, you
> cannot see who the actual recipients ...
Dean,
I believe that if you double click on an message in the SENT
folder to open it in it's own window and then his to view the
*complete* message, you'll see the BCC header on emails you've sent.
unfortunately, doesn't work in the message preview pane.
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From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Wed Aug 20 17:03:56 2003
From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Mike Kilroy)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 12:03:56 -0400
Subject: [pmmail-list] [mkc] bcc: Inconvenience
In-Reply-To: <200308201450.h7KEonv19500@mailinbound.uhc.com>
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doesn't work here.
ctl-V does same thing as picking 'show full header' from window pull down tab- shows cc only,
not bcc - I just sent test message to myself to see. I too would like a way to see who I
bcc'ed later.
On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 10:50:08 -0400, Patrick R. Sklenar wrote:
>On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 21:25:53 +0700, Dean Boulding wrote:
>> If you try to reopen a message from the "Sent Mail" folder with bcc addresses, you
>> cannot see who the actual recipients ...
>Dean,
> I believe that if you double click on an message in the SENT
>folder to open it in it's own window and then his to view the
>*complete* message, you'll see the BCC header on emails you've sent.
>unfortunately, doesn't work in the message preview pane.
> pat----
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doesn't work here.
ctl-V does same thing as picking 'show full header' from window pull down tab- shows cc only, not bcc - I just sent test message to myself to see. I too would like a way to see who I bcc'ed later.
On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 10:50:08 -0400, Patrick R. Sklenar wrote:
>On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 21:25:53 +0700, Dean Boulding wrote:
>
>> If you try to reopen a message from the "Sent Mail" folder with bcc addresses, you
>> cannot see who the actual recipients ...
>
>Dean,
>
> I believe that if you double click on an message in the SENT
>folder to open it in it's own window and then his <CNTL-V> to view the
>*complete* message, you'll see the BCC header on emails you've sent.
>unfortunately, <CNTL-V> doesn't work in the message preview pane.
>
> pat----
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From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Patrick R. Sklenar)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 12:22:01 -0400
Subject: [pmmail-list] [mkc] bcc: Inconvenience
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On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 12:03:56 -0400, Mike Kilroy wrote:
> doesn't work here.
>
> ctl-V does same thing as picking 'show full header' ...
sorry. i goofed. which is the same as "show full
message" from the tools menu.
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From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Wed Aug 20 19:21:34 2003
From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Mike Kilroy)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 14:21:34 -0400
Subject: [pmmail-list] [mkc] bcc: Inconvenience
In-Reply-To: <200308201622.h7KGM1w27568@mailinbound.uhc.com>
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brings up a good idea to add for future update:)
On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 12:22:01 -0400, Patrick R. Sklenar wrote:
>On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 12:03:56 -0400, Mike Kilroy wrote:
>> doesn't work here.
>>
>> ctl-V does same thing as picking 'show full header' ...
> sorry. i goofed. which is the same as "show full
>message" from the tools menu.
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brings up a good idea to add for future update:)
On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 12:22:01 -0400, Patrick R. Sklenar wrote:
>On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 12:03:56 -0400, Mike Kilroy wrote:
>
>> doesn't work here.
>>
>> ctl-V does same thing as picking 'show full header' ...
>
> sorry. i goofed. <ALT-V> which is the same as "show full
>message" from the tools menu.
>
> pat----
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From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Simon Wright)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 20:45:39 +0200 (MDT)
Subject: [pmmail-list] what is the purpose of reindexing?
Message-ID: <0074827260.00000T0Z@server02.home.wright.org>
>Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 22:49:41 -0700
>From: "Marty Rimpau"
>
>Hi list, I have a problem, and I believe it is caused by my screen
>reader, window-eyes, but trying to convince them of this is like
>needlessly knocking your head against the wall, and the problem is
Hi Marty,
Please don't take this personally since it is NOT meant that way, but would you try to
break what you are trying to say into shorter sentences and paragraphs?
I find reading and understanding a nearly 200 word sentence quite difficult and I have to
say that I gave up with yours; I don't even know what your problem is! Perhaps
reposting in a re-written form might make it easier for people to help.
Regards,
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From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Thu Aug 21 00:24:35 2003
From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Stan Sidlov)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 19:24:35 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [pmmail-list] what is the purpose of reindexing?
In-Reply-To:
Message-ID: <200308202320.h7KNKYMY022318@asv11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>
On Tue, 19 Aug 2003 22:49:41 -0700, Marty Rimpau wrote:
>Hi list,
[cut]
Assuming that your subject is the real question, the purpose of reindexing is to make sure that all
email messages in the folder are actually in the index. It is possible that due to a bug or two your
index may not have the proper count of items in the folder and isn't showing all the email messages.
This is especially true if you have your PMMAIL running and the computer gets a BSOD. Reindexing
recovers any messages that didn't get written to the index.
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From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Thu Aug 21 01:12:40 2003
From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (James Moe)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 17:12:40 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [pmmail-list] SMTP mail receive
Message-ID:
Hello,
I was browsing the Receive options in Account Settings and looked more closely at
using SMTP to retrieve mail. A "Path to Incoming Mail"?
Can someone explain how this works in PMMail? It is most unlike any SMTP I've ever
seen.
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From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Wed Aug 20 15:24:11 2003
From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Dr. Jeffrey Race)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 21:24:11 +0700
Subject: [pmmail-list] what is the purpose of reindexing?
Message-ID:
On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 19:24:35 -0400 (EDT), Stan Sidlov wrote:
>Assuming that your subject is the real question, the purpose of reindexing is
to make sure that all
>email messages in the folder are actually in the index. It is possible that due
to a bug or two your
>index may not have the proper count of items in the folder and isn't showing
all the email messages.
>This is especially true if you have your PMMAIL running and the computer gets a
BSOD. Reindexing
>recovers any messages that didn't get written to the index.
In my case if I run the PMMail-Win98 I lose all the messages in PMMail-OS/2.
I have to reindex to get them, and vv.
Jeffrey Race
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From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Thu Aug 21 04:05:33 2003
From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Stephen Eickhoff)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 23:05:33 -0400
Subject: [pmmail-list] what is the purpose of reindexing?
In-Reply-To:
Message-ID: <20030821030529.KFHU11703.pop018.verizon.net@purcell.operagost.local>
On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 21:24:11 +0700, Dr. Jeffrey Race wrote:
>On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 19:24:35 -0400 (EDT), Stan Sidlov wrote:
>
>>Assuming that your subject is the real question, the purpose of reindexing is
>to make sure that all
>>email messages in the folder are actually in the index. It is possible that due
>to a bug or two your
>>index may not have the proper count of items in the folder and isn't showing
>all the email messages.
>>This is especially true if you have your PMMAIL running and the computer gets a
>BSOD. Reindexing
>>recovers any messages that didn't get written to the index.
>
>In my case if I run the PMMail-Win98 I lose all the messages in PMMail-OS/2.
>I have to reindex to get them, and vv.
I didn't have this problem while I was switching my workstation from OS/2 to
Windows. Maybe it's a version incompatibility, as the OS/2 version is now
lagging. Maybe if you tried an older version of PMMail for Windows, one that
matched the OS/2 "vintage"?
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From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Thu Aug 21 08:51:34 2003
From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Brian Morrison)
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 08:51:34 +0100
Subject: [pmmail-list] SMTP mail receive
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID: <20030821085134.5f8a0461.bdm@fenrir.org.uk>
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On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 17:12:40 -0700 (MST) in
auto-000000544616@sohnen-moe.com "James Moe"
wrote:
> Hello,
> I was browsing the Receive options in Account Settings and looked
> more closely at
> using SMTP to retrieve mail. A "Path to Incoming Mail"?
> Can someone explain how this works in PMMail? It is most unlike any
> SMTP I've ever
> seen.
Simple. Your MTA (or local SMTP server) receives mail from your ISP or
wherever and puts it into a defined directory like
/var/spool/mail/
You then tell PMMail to get it from there, PMMail hoovers up absolutely
everything in that directory (so don't put anything but delivered mail
there) and incorporates it into its own account directory structure.
IOW, PMMail is not able to listen on port 25 to receive mail....
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From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Thu Aug 21 09:15:24 2003
From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Ralph Cohen)
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 04:15:24 -0400
Subject: [pmmail-list] SMTP mail receive
In-Reply-To: <20030821085134.5f8a0461.bdm@fenrir.org.uk>
Message-ID:
On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 08:51:34 +0100, Brian Morrison wrote:
>Simple. Your MTA (or local SMTP server) receives mail from your ISP or
>wherever and puts it into a defined directory like
>/var/spool/mail/
>
>You then tell PMMail to get it from there, PMMail hoovers up absolutely
>everything in that directory (so don't put anything but delivered mail
>there) and incorporates it into its own account directory structure.
It can also be used to move mail between different accounts. A folder
containing mail in one account can set as the SMTP address for a second
account which will then retrieve those messages from that folder into
the second account's Inbox. This gets around a limitation in the
PMMail filters which does not enable the filtering of email from one
account to another.
Ralph Cohen
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From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Thu Aug 21 14:14:29 2003
From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Bob Bassett)
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 08:14:29 -0500
Subject: [pmmail-list] Symantec Email Proxy deleted the following email messag
Message-ID: <20030821131415.WPSL10977.lakemtao03.cox.net@DAD>
Anyone else been getting the following from Symantec 2003?
Symantec Email Proxy deleted the following email message:
From: "Stephen Eickhoff"
To: "pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com"
Subject: [pmmail-list] what is the purpose of reindexing?
Bob from Shalimar, Florida
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From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Thu Aug 21 14:50:24 2003
From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Stephen Eickhoff)
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 09:50:24 -0400
Subject: [pmmail-list] Symantec Email Proxy deleted the following email messag
In-Reply-To: <20030821131415.WPSL10977.lakemtao03.cox.net@DAD>
Message-ID: <20030821135025.NNET11703.pop018.verizon.net@purcell.operagost.local>
On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 08:14:29 -0500, Bob Bassett wrote:
>Anyone else been getting the following from Symantec 2003?
>
>Symantec Email Proxy deleted the following email message:
>
>From: "Stephen Eickhoff"
>To: "pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com"
>
>Subject: [pmmail-list] what is the purpose of reindexing?
It seems someone's virus has decided to pick on me ...
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From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Thu Aug 21 18:03:03 2003
From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (James Moe)
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 10:03:03 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [pmmail-list] SMTP mail receive
In-Reply-To: <20030821085134.5f8a0461.bdm@fenrir.org.uk>
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On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 08:51:34 +0100, Brian Morrison wrote:
>You then tell PMMail to get it from there, PMMail hoovers up absolutely
>everything in that directory (so don't put anything but delivered mail
>there) and incorporates it into its own account directory structure.
>
>IOW, PMMail is not able to listen on port 25 to receive mail....
>
Ah. Thanks.
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From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Thu Aug 21 18:44:44 2003
From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Dave)
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 12:44:44 -0500
Subject: [pmmail-list] SMTP mail receive
In-Reply-To:
Message-ID:
On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 04:15:24 -0400, Ralph Cohen wrote:
>It can also be used to move mail between different accounts. A folder
>containing mail in one account can set as the SMTP address for a second
>account which will then retrieve those messages from that folder into
>the second account's Inbox. This gets around a limitation in the
>PMMail filters which does not enable the filtering of email from one
>account to another.
I know this feature has been discussed many times over the years on
this list. Can you dredge up an old instruction on how to do this,
and what the effect is on the "originating" account?
For example, say I receive mail on the account "Foo" and place it
into a folder called "2Bar". If I configure an account called
"Bar" to listen to the "2Bar" folder, will it delete the .MSG file
in the "2Bar" folder when it receives it? If so, how does "Foo"
like that? Do I need to reindex? Aren't there .BAG files or
something that would also be captured by the "Bar" account? Can
"Bar" listen to both POP3 and SMTP?
Anyway, if you can find some older discussions and send them,
to me directly if you wish, please do.
Dave
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From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Thu Aug 21 19:03:09 2003
From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Dave)
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 13:03:09 -0500
Subject: [pmmail-list] Deleting trash icon bug?
Message-ID:
I, like many others, have been hit by that mass emailing bug. Now,
popfile is doing a great job IDing the files as viruses and I can
filter then straight to trash. I had a few, and decided to recover
space, so I highlighted them and hit . Now, I can't get the
trash folder icon to stop indicating there is unread mail.
Is this a known problem, and what is the solution? I eventually
emptied the trash, which worked.
Dave
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From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Thu Aug 21 19:05:34 2003
From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Oberon)
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 13:05:34 -0500
Subject: [pmmail-list] SMTP mail receive
In-Reply-To:
Message-ID:
On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 12:44:44 -0500, Dave wrote:
>On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 04:15:24 -0400, Ralph Cohen wrote:
>
>>It can also be used to move mail between different accounts. A folder
>>containing mail in one account can set as the SMTP address for a second
>>account which will then retrieve those messages from that folder into
>>the second account's Inbox. This gets around a limitation in the
>>PMMail filters which does not enable the filtering of email from one
>>account to another.
>
>I know this feature has been discussed many times over the years on
>this list. Can you dredge up an old instruction on how to do this,
>and what the effect is on the "originating" account?
>
>For example, say I receive mail on the account "Foo" and place it
>into a folder called "2Bar". If I configure an account called
>"Bar" to listen to the "2Bar" folder, will it delete the .MSG file
>in the "2Bar" folder when it receives it? If so, how does "Foo"
>like that? Do I need to reindex? Aren't there .BAG files or
>something that would also be captured by the "Bar" account? Can
>"Bar" listen to both POP3 and SMTP?
>
>Anyway, if you can find some older discussions and send them,
>to me directly if you wish, please do.
No, please, share it with all of us. I have need for that kind of setup too.
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From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Thu Aug 21 19:29:11 2003
From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (John Swartzentruber)
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 14:29:11 -0400
Subject: [pmmail-list] Deleting trash icon bug?
In-Reply-To:
Message-ID: <200308211829.h7LITCg03522@arthur.swartz.primatech.com>
On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 13:03:09 -0500, Dave wrote:
>Now, I can't get the
>trash folder icon to stop indicating there is unread mail.
Right click on the trash folder and "mark unread as read"?
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From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Thu Aug 21 19:41:29 2003
From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Dave)
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 13:41:29 -0500
Subject: [pmmail-list] Deleting trash icon bug?
In-Reply-To: <200308211829.h7LITCg03522@arthur.swartz.primatech.com>
Message-ID:
On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 14:29:11 -0400, John Swartzentruber wrote:
>Right click on the trash folder and "mark unread as read"?
First thing I tried, because it seemed obvious. Then I tried
marking a message as unread, then marking the trashcan read. Didn't
work.
FWIW, I am using 2.02.2717 Pro for Windoze, although my headers clue
you in on that.
Dave
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From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Thu Aug 21 20:04:36 2003
From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Ralph Cohen)
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 15:04:36 -0400
Subject: [pmmail-list] Deleting trash icon bug?
In-Reply-To:
Message-ID:
On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 13:41:29 -0500, Dave wrote:
>On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 14:29:11 -0400, John Swartzentruber wrote:
>
>>Right click on the trash folder and "mark unread as read"?
>
>First thing I tried, because it seemed obvious. Then I tried
>marking a message as unread, then marking the trashcan read. Didn't
>work.
>
Here's the procedure I use to fix this problem.
1. If your Trash folder has any subfolders, check to be sure there are
no unread messages in them and and then shut down PMMail.
2. Go to the subdirectory containing the trash folder and find the
file named folder.ini and make a backup copy you can restore in case of
any problems. Then, open the folder.ini file in a text editor and you
should see short, one-line string similar to the one below from my
Inbox folder:
Inbox|1|0|3;2;6;4;8;5;7;9;0;1|0|1|0|6|
3. Note that the next to the last character in the string is a 6. Any
character other than a 0 in that position, however, indicates that
there are unread messages in the folder or its subdirectories and
causes the folder icon to display the downward arrow. Change the next
to the last character to a 0 - as shown below - and then save the file.
Inbox|1|0|3;2;6;4;8;5;7;9;0;1|0|1|0|0|
When you restart PMMail, the folder icon should display properly.
Ralph
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From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Thu Aug 21 20:22:33 2003
From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (John Swartzentruber)
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 15:22:33 -0400
Subject: [pmmail-list] Deleting trash icon bug?
In-Reply-To:
Message-ID: <200308211922.h7LJMXg03990@arthur.swartz.primatech.com>
On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 13:41:29 -0500, Dave wrote:
>First thing I tried, because it seemed obvious. Then I tried
>marking a message as unread, then marking the trashcan read. Didn't
>work.
>
>FWIW, I am using 2.02.2717 Pro for Windoze, although my headers clue
>you in on that.
That's what I'm using as well. Either I'm misunderstanding the problem,
or there is some bug that pops up in your specific conditions.
I think it might be both. I missed that you filtered directly to trash,
then deleted them from there. Would reindexing make a difference?
Suggestion: when you filter directly to Trash, mark it as read first in
the filter.
Suggestion: change your Trash folder properties to not indicate new
mail in the trash.
Naturally, these suggestions won't work for you if you want to see if
there are unread messages in the trash.
Also, I tried reproducing the problem you describe, and can't, so there
is something else funny going on.
Sorry I can't be of more help.
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From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Thu Aug 21 20:23:03 2003
From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Ralph Cohen)
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 15:23:03 -0400
Subject: [pmmail-list] SMTP mail receive
In-Reply-To:
Message-ID:
On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 12:44:44 -0500, Dave wrote:
>For example, say I receive mail on the account "Foo" and place it
>into a folder called "2Bar". If I configure an account called
>"Bar" to listen to the "2Bar" folder, will it delete the .MSG file
>in the "2Bar" folder when it receives it?
Unless you have your receive options in the "Bar" account set up to
"Leave mail on server", the messages will be removed from the "2Bar"
folder in the "Foo" account.
>If so, how does "Foo" like that? Do I need to reindex?
After the messages are retrieved by the "Bar" account, the The "2Bar"
folder in the "Foo" account will still show the messages - although
they are no longer there. This doesn't seem to hurt anything, i.e. the
"Bar" account does not get confused and will still download any new
messages placed in the "2Bar" folder, and reindexing the "2Bar" folder
will clear/correct the listing.
>Aren't there .BAG files or
>something that would also be captured by the "Bar" account?
No, the "Bar" account is only looking for *.msg files and ignores
anything else.
>Can "Bar" listen to both POP3 and SMTP?
Nope, the two are mutually exclusive.
Ralph
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From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Thu Aug 21 20:58:14 2003
From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Dave)
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 14:58:14 -0500
Subject: [pmmail-list] Deleting trash icon bug?
In-Reply-To: <200308211922.h7LJMXg03990@arthur.swartz.primatech.com>
Message-ID:
On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 15:22:33 -0400, John Swartzentruber wrote:
>That's what I'm using as well. Either I'm misunderstanding the problem,
>or there is some bug that pops up in your specific conditions.
>
>I think it might be both. I missed that you filtered directly to trash,
>then deleted them from there. Would reindexing make a difference?
>
>Suggestion: when you filter directly to Trash, mark it as read first in
>the filter.
>
>Suggestion: change your Trash folder properties to not indicate new
>mail in the trash.
>
>Naturally, these suggestions won't work for you if you want to see if
>there are unread messages in the trash.
>
>Also, I tried reproducing the problem you describe, and can't, so there
>is something else funny going on.
>
>Sorry I can't be of more help.
I think you are understanding the problem, but the hard thing
about bugs is how un-repeatable they are. My PMMail had been
running for hours and hours, and I had done the same action before,
but this time it chose to hose the icon. Why? Who knows.
My primary way to filter to trash is to read PopFile x-text. Since
it is not foolproof (close, but not yet), I want to manually review
the messages to see if they really are viruses (and spam as well).
The viruses get deleted and the spam just sits there until I empty
the trash. Thus, I don't want to auto mark them read, or to turn
off the icon indication.
Actually, as I typed, I got another virus. I highlighted it and
pressed delete. It is gone but the indicator is unconvinced. It
still shows unread mail. Re-indexing, no good. Mark all read,
not working.
One thing I am doing is marking the viruses as HIGH priority and
spam a low priority. I'll see if the HIGH priority is to blame.
Where's a new virus message when you need it? :)
Dave
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From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Thu Aug 21 20:58:19 2003
From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Bruce Francis)
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 15:58:19 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [pmmail-list] SMTP mail receive
In-Reply-To:
Message-ID: <20030821195828.28ECE45356@texas.pobox.com>
On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 13:05:34 -0500, Oberon wrote:
>On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 12:44:44 -0500, Dave wrote:
>>On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 04:15:24 -0400, Ralph Cohen wrote:
>>>It can also be used to move mail between different accounts. A folder
>>I know this feature has been discussed many times over the years on
>>this list. Can you dredge up an old instruction on how to do this,
>>and what the effect is on the "originating" account?
>>Anyway, if you can find some older discussions and send them,
>>to me directly if you wish, please do.
I've written this several times to the list (and don't mind doing
it again, but kind of wish that BSW would put it up on their website
as an FAQ). A number of people have complained over the years
that PMMail needs a "filter to a different" account function (where
over the years means for well more than 6 years), and every time I
reply that "it works for me". Then they read the way it is done and
decide they'll just "wait until it is implemented." They're still
waiting, and I've been using it daily for more than 6 years now.....
This also allows you to setup a different "account" for different
"personalities" (as used in another popular email client). In each
"personality" you can have a different "From:" and "Reply-To:", etc.
Anyway, here's a re-post from my "archives":
==================BEGIN FORWARDED MESSAGE==================
>From: "Bruce Francis"
>To:
>Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 17:05:49 -0500 (EST)
>Subject: [pmmail-list] Multiple Accounts
On Mon, 30 Oct 2000 21:44:19 +0100 (MEZ), Manfred Usselmann wrote:
>>>How do I achieve this with different accouts? Even if it would be
>>
>>This *is* not only possible, but I do it all the time. I have about two
>>dozen "accounts" like this (where I webmaster, get email addressed
>
>Thanks. Using a folder of one account as incoming SMTP path for another
>account is a good idea.
>Though it is not very easy for the average user. It can be a little bit
>difficult to identify the correct path name. The biggest problem is that
>it is not very obvious. A lot of people simply will not find this
>solution. And it seems not to be possible to collect mails from more
>than one account because you can specify only one smtp path.
No, you're still missing the details. You *can* have more than one account,
and you can have multiple paths. I know -- I have over 2 dozen of them
(haven't counted them lately).
Details:
1) For each new account create a new, separate, inbound mail folder/directory.
(I have mine grouped under x:\tcpip\smtpmail
such as x:\tcpip\smtpmail\sportline and x:\tcpip\smtpmail\heatpump ... etc)
2) Set up a new account in PMMail. In this example assume it to be Sportline.
3) Under Account|Settings|Receive in Sportline account, set the "Type" to SMTP,
and the path to x:\tcpip\smtpmail\sportline
4) In your main account (the one for your ISP, that you normally receive all of
your mail into), create a new filter "Sportline":
Filter: h.to="@sportline" | h.cc="@sportline"
[I'm getting email forwarded to me addressed to "Sportline_xyz.com", and
this is my use. You might want to set your filter up differently, depending
on what you're using it for.]
Action: User-hook (background) Sportline.CMD
Inform User (you might want to do this, or not)
Delete message (local copy)
Stop filtering
5) Create Sportline.CMD
================ Sportline.CMD =============================
/* REXX command used w/PMMail to route inbound mail to specific SMTP directory */
ARG EmailFile
"Copy " EmailFile "x:\tcpip\smtpmail\Sportline\"
Exit
============= end of Sportline.CMD ===========================
6) repeat this procedure for each of the accounts you want to setup, changing
SMTP directories and CMD files appropriately.
This process uses filters to automatically (and without intervention)
move messages between accounts. Trevor mentioned earlier that one should
use Accounts for "Personalities", and this is a very, very easy way to do it.
You can set up a PMMail Account for each of these "Personalities" and
then read and reply to email from those "Personalities". (I use it to supervise
the website work that I do, to keep all of the sites filed individually into
Account folders, and to use the "Personalities" to reply to the mail for
each of those site.)
If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to ask.
===================END FORWARDED MESSAGE===================
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From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Thu Aug 21 21:17:01 2003
From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Dave)
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 15:17:01 -0500
Subject: [pmmail-list] Deleting trash icon bug?
In-Reply-To:
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On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 14:58:14 -0500, Dave wrote:
>One thing I am doing is marking the viruses as HIGH priority and
>spam a low priority. I'll see if the HIGH priority is to blame.
I bounced myself a virus to test. If a file is normal priority,
there was no problem. Mark it as HIGH priority, and the trash can
icon is hosed when you delete.
Is this repeatable by someone else?
Dave
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From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Thu Aug 21 21:25:30 2003
From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Dave)
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 15:25:30 -0500
Subject: [pmmail-list] SMTP mail receive
In-Reply-To: <20030821195828.28ECE45356@texas.pobox.com>
Message-ID:
On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 15:58:19 -0400 (EDT), Bruce Francis wrote:
>I've written this several times to the list (and don't mind doing
>it again, but kind of wish that BSW would put it up on their website
>as an FAQ). A number of people have complained over the years
>that PMMail needs a "filter to a different" account function (where
>over the years means for well more than 6 years), and every time I
>reply that "it works for me". Then they read the way it is done and
>decide they'll just "wait until it is implemented." They're still
>waiting, and I've been using it daily for more than 6 years now.....
Bruce,
Thanks for being patient with us. If I kept printouts, I would
print it out and keep it. As it is, I'll try to store it in a
safe place.
I understand how you are doing this. It is a really cool
workaround. Maybe you can tell me if it will work for me, but I
fear it won't.
Both my Foo and Bar accounts access the server via POP3. I would
like to move messages from Foo to Bar, but that means Bar would
need to be SMTP, not POP3. In this case, you create another dummy
account that reads the Bar POP3 server and saves it as a file for
Bar to read via SMTP? That is, you need two accounts to be able
to get Bar mail?
Wouldn't you agree that it would be plainer for someone to have
one account to read all their mail? It would be a lot easier to
simply have the Foo account able to hand off the email to Bar.
That's why I consider a workaround. You are going through
innovative steps to implement a missing feature.
Thanks, really thanks, for being patient and posting this again.
I very much appreciate it. Its a workaround I probably will use.
Dave
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From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Thu Aug 21 21:31:50 2003
From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (John Swartzentruber)
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 16:31:50 -0400
Subject: [pmmail-list] Deleting trash icon bug?
In-Reply-To:
Message-ID: <200308212031.h7LKVog04794@arthur.swartz.primatech.com>
I confirmed the problem with deleting high priority items from the
trash.
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From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Thu Aug 21 21:35:06 2003
From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Ralph Cohen)
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 16:35:06 -0400
Subject: [pmmail-list] Deleting trash icon bug?
In-Reply-To:
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On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 14:58:14 -0500, Dave wrote:
>Actually, as I typed, I got another virus. I highlighted it and
>pressed delete. It is gone but the indicator is unconvinced. It
>still shows unread mail. Re-indexing, no good. Mark all read,
>not working.
Dave,
Did you read my earlier response about editing the Folder.ini file for
the Trash folder? Sometimes the folder's entry gets messed up which
causes the folder to incorrectly indicate that it has mail and editing
it is the only way to fix it.
Ralph
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From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Thu Aug 21 21:41:32 2003
From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Dave)
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 15:41:32 -0500
Subject: [pmmail-list] Deleting trash icon bug?
In-Reply-To: <200308212031.h7LKVog04794@arthur.swartz.primatech.com>
Message-ID:
On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 16:31:50 -0400, John Swartzentruber wrote:
>I confirmed the problem with deleting high priority items from the
>trash.
Thanks John. I am glad it isn't just me.
Dave
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From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Thu Aug 21 21:53:13 2003
From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Robert Dahlem)
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 22:53:13 +0200
Subject: [pmmail-list] Deleting trash icon bug?
In-Reply-To: <200308212031.h7LKVog04794@arthur.swartz.primatech.com>
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On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 16:31:50 -0400, John Swartzentruber wrote:
>I confirmed the problem with deleting high priority items from the
>trash.
Well, then the solution seems easy: Always put a rule "Set priority:
Normal" before "Delete".
Regards,
Robert
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From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Thu Aug 21 22:03:47 2003
From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Dave)
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 16:03:47 -0500
Subject: [pmmail-list] Deleting trash icon bug?
In-Reply-To:
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On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 16:35:06 -0400, Ralph Cohen wrote:
>Dave,
>
>Did you read my earlier response about editing the Folder.ini file for
>the Trash folder? Sometimes the folder's entry gets messed up which
>causes the folder to incorrectly indicate that it has mail and editing
>it is the only way to fix it.
>
>Ralph
Starting and restaring PMMail seems to work OK? Not for you?
Dave
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From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Thu Aug 21 22:06:59 2003
From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Dave)
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 16:06:59 -0500
Subject: [pmmail-list] Deleting trash icon bug?
In-Reply-To:
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On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 22:53:13 +0200, Robert Dahlem wrote:
>Well, then the solution seems easy: Always put a rule "Set priority:
>Normal" before "Delete".
>
>Regards,
> Robert
Hmmm, I was setting the priority in the filter, then deleting
manually. Now I decided to just leave it at normal priority, since
the virus is filling my trashcan and are pretty obvious.
Dave
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From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Thu Aug 21 23:51:58 2003
From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Kts)
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 17:51:58 -0500
Subject: [pmmail-list] Deleting Trash Icon Bug?
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Message-ID: <1061502690@ksbase>
Thursday August 21 2003 13:03, Dave wrote to All:
D> I, like many others, have been hit by that mass emailing bug.
Viruses and worms are NOT bugs!
KS
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Toronto, ON Canada
http://www.karico.ca
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... Drawing on my fine command of language, I said nothing.
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From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Thu Aug 21 23:39:26 2003
From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Ralph Cohen)
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 18:39:26 -0400
Subject: [pmmail-list] Deleting trash icon bug?
Message-ID:
On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 16:03:47 -0500, Dave wrote:
>
>Starting and restaring PMMail seems to work OK? Not for you?
>
Sorry Dave, I guess I misunderstood. Your original message said
> Now, I can't get the
>trash folder icon to stop indicating there is unread mail.
and I incorrectly assumed you had tried closing down and restarting
PMMail and the problem had persisted. If it ever does, then by all
means try editing the folder.ini file like I mentioned.
Ralph
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From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Fri Aug 22 00:27:41 2003
From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (James Moe)
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 16:27:41 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [pmmail-list] SMTP mail receive
In-Reply-To: <20030821195828.28ECE45356@texas.pobox.com>
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On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 15:58:19 -0400 (EDT), Bruce Francis wrote:
>4) In your main account (the one for your ISP, that you normally receive all of
> your mail into), create a new filter "Sportline":
>
This sounds like you have a single mail account on an ISP with a number of aliases.
Is this correct?
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From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Fri Aug 22 00:35:15 2003
From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (James Moe)
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 16:35:15 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [pmmail-list] SMTP mail receive
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On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 15:25:30 -0500, Dave wrote:
>Both my Foo and Bar accounts access the server via POP3. I would
>like to move messages from Foo to Bar, but that means Bar would
>need to be SMTP, not POP3. In this case, you create another dummy
>account that reads the Bar POP3 server and saves it as a file for
>Bar to read via SMTP? That is, you need two accounts to be able
>to get Bar mail?
>
Yes.
In Bruce's case he is receiving mail from a single source and sorting it into
multiple accounts. In your case you are receiving from multiple sources and sorting it
into a single account.
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From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Fri Aug 22 01:32:34 2003
From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Dave)
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 19:32:34 -0500
Subject: [pmmail-list] Deleting Trash Icon Bug?
In-Reply-To: <1061502690@ksbase>
Message-ID:
On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 17:51:58 -0500, Kts wrote:
>Thursday August 21 2003 13:03, Dave wrote to All:
>
>
> D> I, like many others, have been hit by that mass emailing bug.
>
>Viruses and worms are NOT bugs!
>
>
> KS
>
> KARICO Business Services
> Toronto, ON Canada
> http://www.karico.ca
>
> Get The Pocket Pro now!: http://www.pocketproshop.com
You are very right. I was still thinking about the subject, and
mistyped.
Dave
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From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Fri Aug 22 01:35:49 2003
From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (John Angelico)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 10:35:49 +1000 (AEST)
Subject: [pmmail-list] SMTP path was Digest (08/21/2003 09:01) (#2003-588)
In-Reply-To:
Message-ID: <0038550100.000003Q4@ollie>
On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 09:02:04 -0400, brandonk@blueprintsoftwareworks.com
wrote:
>
>Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 04:15:24 -0400
>From: "Ralph Cohen"
>Subject: Re: [pmmail-list] SMTP mail receive
>
>On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 08:51:34 +0100, Brian Morrison wrote:
>
>>Simple. Your MTA (or local SMTP server) receives mail from your ISP or
>>wherever and puts it into a defined directory like
>>/var/spool/mail/
>>
>>You then tell PMMail to get it from there, PMMail hoovers up absolutely
>>everything in that directory (so don't put anything but delivered mail
>>there) and incorporates it into its own account directory structure.
>>
[retrieved from Brian's original response]
>>IOW, PMMail is not able to listen on port 25 to receive mail....
Well, it's not necessary for PMMail to do that, if it can access mail in a
path somewhere on the LAN or local machine. Who needs ports and TCP
overhead if you can move it directly as a file?
>
>It can also be used to move mail between different accounts. A folder
>containing mail in one account can set as the SMTP address for a second
>account which will then retrieve those messages from that folder into
>the second account's Inbox. This gets around a limitation in the
>PMMail filters which does not enable the filtering of email from one
>account to another.
>
>Ralph Cohen
It's effective but still a kludge since there is only one path - thus it's
a one-to-one transfer rather than a many-to-one or many-to-many...
Best regards
John Angelico
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From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Tim Roberts)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 09:54:19 -0700
Subject: [pmmail-list] Symantec Email Proxy deleted the following email messag
In-Reply-To: <20030821135025.NNET11703.pop018.verizon.net@purcell.operagost.local>
Message-ID: <200308221654.h7MGsJG20551@probo.probo.com>
On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 09:50:24 -0400, Stephen Eickhoff wrote:
>On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 08:14:29 -0500, Bob Bassett wrote:
>
>>Anyone else been getting the following from Symantec 2003?
>>
>>Symantec Email Proxy deleted the following email message:
>>
>>From: "Stephen Eickhoff"
>>To: "pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com"
>>
>>Subject: [pmmail-list] what is the purpose of reindexing?
>
>It seems someone's virus has decided to pick on me ...
You ain't seen nothin' yet. I got back yesterday afternoon from a 6-day
vacation. To my great horror, I found I had a total of 3,104 unread e-mail
messages. That's about 10X my usual volume.
Of that total, just over 200 were legitimate. About 700 were actually copies
of the SoBig virus. ALL of the rest were so-called "courtesy" automated
messages from mail handlers helpfully telling me that I had tried to send
them a virus.
Folks, if you administer an e-mail server with virus detection, PLEASE turn
off these stupid automated responses! ALL e-mail viruses created in the last
5 years choose random names for both the sender and the recipient. I
GUARANTEE YOU that the name in the "From:" header is NOT the infected person,
and sending an e-mail message to that address does nothing but cause
annoyance and confusion.
--
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From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Menno Tillema)
Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 00:25:05 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [pmmail-list] Filtering between accounts (was SMTP mail receive)
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On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 15:25:30 -0500, Dave wrote:
> Thanks for being patient with us. If I kept printouts, I would
> print it out and keep it. As it is, I'll try to store it in a
> safe place.
I've been following the discussion and although I don't need the
feature myself, I ran across the site of Maul Publisher which states:
Account Filter (31-7-1999)
This filtering tool can be used with PM Mail to filter messages
between accounts. It was written as a quick fix to allow users
with 'unlimited email accounts' (ie aliases) to filter messages
to various account names.
Download Account Filter (66k)
I won't be able to test this myself, but here is the URL:
http://www.manglais.com/download.phtml
See for yourself (sorry, it's OS/2 end eCS only I guess).
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Kijk ook eens op
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From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Carl Gehr)
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 17:40:27 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [pmmail-list] bcc: Inconvenience
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Message-ID: <20030824214050.VRMS3527.smtp02.fuse.net@A30pCG>
On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 21:25:53 +0700, Dean Boulding wrote:
>Since Pat is talking about bcc data, I just noticed a small weakness in PMMail
>today.
>
>If you try to reopen a message from the "Sent Mail" folder with bcc addresses, you
>cannot see who the actual recipients (i.e. those who were "blind-carbon_copied"
>were. I can copy or move the message to the Drafts folder and clicking on the
>cc/bcc toggle will cause the addresses to appear, so they are stored somewhere.
>
>What would be ideal, from my point of view, would be a way to do this while
>reviewing a message from the usual folder (Sent Mail).
>
>For version 2005 or later, probably, but I thought I'd note it.
>
>Dean
Display the message in the SENT folder. Then either use:
Window->View Full Header
or
Click the icon on the tool bar that does this.
[At least it does on OS/2...]
Carl
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From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Mon Aug 25 14:55:52 2003
From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Dave Saville)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 14:55:52 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [pmmail-list] headers
Message-ID: <20030825135555.SHKD12144.mta01-svc.ntlworld.com@pooh>
What is the headers directory - mine has 2500+ entries in it.
TIA
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From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Wayne Dunham)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 10:36:53 -0400
Subject: [pmmail-list] headers
In-Reply-To: <20030825135555.SHKD12144.mta01-svc.ntlworld.com@pooh>
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On Mon, 25 Aug 2003 14:55:52 +0100 (BST), Dave Saville wrote:
>What is the headers directory - mine has 2500+ entries in it.
>
>TIA
I have 3 accounts and only one of them had anything in the Headers
directory of that account (Win98 V2.20.2661). All of those were at
least a year old and many were 2-3 years old.
That account (recently dropped) was my oldest account and the 2 other
accounts were both created more recently.
One hasn't been used at all in the last 6monts at least, ever since
my work made it impossible to check my Email there at home and the
other account was just created in June when I got broadband
I took a look at a couple of the .hdr files that were there and they
were indeed message headers from individual messages. I'm guessing
that it is some kind of holdover from a much older version of PmMail
that stored the individual message headers in a separate folder.
Anyone with better info?
Wayne Dunham
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From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Mon Aug 25 17:29:03 2003
From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Dave Saville)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 17:29:03 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [pmmail-list] headers
In-Reply-To:
Message-ID: <20030825163106.BNYH12144.mta01-svc.ntlworld.com@pooh>
On Mon, 25 Aug 2003 10:36:53 -0400, Wayne Dunham wrote:
>On Mon, 25 Aug 2003 14:55:52 +0100 (BST), Dave Saville wrote:
>
>>What is the headers directory - mine has 2500+ entries in it.
>>
>>TIA
>
> I have 3 accounts and only one of them had anything in the Headers
>directory of that account (Win98 V2.20.2661). All of those were at
>least a year old and many were 2-3 years old.
> That account (recently dropped) was my oldest account and the 2 other
>accounts were both created more recently.
>
> One hasn't been used at all in the last 6monts at least, ever since
>my work made it impossible to check my Email there at home and the
>other account was just created in June when I got broadband
>
> I took a look at a couple of the .hdr files that were there and they
>were indeed message headers from individual messages. I'm guessing
>that it is some kind of holdover from a much older version of PmMail
>that stored the individual message headers in a separate folder.
>Anyone with better info?
Using 2.10.2010 and the headers range from Nov last year to the 11th
of this month
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From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Dave Saville)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 17:32:08 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [pmmail-list] headers
Message-ID: <20030825163606.BWHC12144.mta01-svc.ntlworld.com@pooh>
On Mon, 25 Aug 2003 10:36:53 -0400, Wayne Dunham wrote:
>On Mon, 25 Aug 2003 14:55:52 +0100 (BST), Dave Saville wrote:
>
>>What is the headers directory - mine has 2500+ entries in it.
>>
>>TIA
>
> I have 3 accounts and only one of them had anything in the Headers
>directory of that account (Win98 V2.20.2661). All of those were at
>least a year old and many were 2-3 years old.
> That account (recently dropped) was my oldest account and the 2 other
>accounts were both created more recently.
>
> One hasn't been used at all in the last 6monts at least, ever since
>my work made it impossible to check my Email there at home and the
>other account was just created in June when I got broadband
>
> I took a look at a couple of the .hdr files that were there and they
>were indeed message headers from individual messages. I'm guessing
>that it is some kind of holdover from a much older version of PmMail
>that stored the individual message headers in a separate folder.
>Anyone with better info?
Using 2.10.2010 and the headers range from Nov last year to the 11th
of this month
Wonder if it is anything to do with filters? I have three accounts
set up, one has thousands of headers & filters and the other two
have no filters and the header dir is empty
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From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Ronald K. Smith)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 15:43:09 -0400
Subject: [pmmail-list] headers
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Hi all.
I just checked my header directory and the files matched up to the last
set of headers that I received using remote control on the account. I
hope this is the answer.
Ron Smith
On Mon, 25 Aug 2003 17:32:08 +0100 (BST), Dave Saville wrote:
>On Mon, 25 Aug 2003 10:36:53 -0400, Wayne Dunham wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 25 Aug 2003 14:55:52 +0100 (BST), Dave Saville wrote:
>>
>>>What is the headers directory - mine has 2500+ entries in it.
>>>
>>>TIA
>>
>> I have 3 accounts and only one of them had anything in the Headers
>>directory of that account (Win98 V2.20.2661). All of those were at
>>least a year old and many were 2-3 years old.
>> That account (recently dropped) was my oldest account and the 2 other
>>accounts were both created more recently.
>>
>> One hasn't been used at all in the last 6monts at least, ever since
>>my work made it impossible to check my Email there at home and the
>>other account was just created in June when I got broadband
>>
>> I took a look at a couple of the .hdr files that were there and they
>>were indeed message headers from individual messages. I'm guessing
>>that it is some kind of holdover from a much older version of PmMail
>>that stored the individual message headers in a separate folder.
>>Anyone with better info?
>
>Using 2.10.2010 and the headers range from Nov last year to the 11th
>of this month
>
>Wonder if it is anything to do with filters? I have three accounts
>set up, one has thousands of headers & filters and the other two
>have no filters and the header dir is empty
>
>--
>Regards
>
>Dave Saville
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Hi all.
I just checked my header directory and the files matched up to the last set of headers that I received using remote control on the account. I hope this is the answer.
Ron Smith
On Mon, 25 Aug 2003 17:32:08 +0100 (BST), Dave Saville wrote:
>On Mon, 25 Aug 2003 10:36:53 -0400, Wayne Dunham wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 25 Aug 2003 14:55:52 +0100 (BST), Dave Saville wrote:
>>
>>>What is the headers directory - mine has 2500+ entries in it.
>>>
>>>TIA
>>
>> I have 3 accounts and only one of them had anything in the Headers
>>directory of that account (Win98 V2.20.2661). All of those were at
>>least a year old and many were 2-3 years old.
>> That account (recently dropped) was my oldest account and the 2 other
>>accounts were both created more recently.
>>
>> One hasn't been used at all in the last 6monts at least, ever since
>>my work made it impossible to check my Email there at home and the
>>other account was just created in June when I got broadband
>>
>> I took a look at a couple of the .hdr files that were there and they
>>were indeed message headers from individual messages. I'm guessing
>>that it is some kind of holdover from a much older version of PmMail
>>that stored the individual message headers in a separate folder.
>>Anyone with better info?
>
>Using 2.10.2010 and the headers range from Nov last year to the 11th
>of this month
>
>Wonder if it is anything to do with filters? I have three accounts
>set up, one has thousands of headers & filters and the other two
>have no filters and the header dir is empty
>
>--
>Regards
>
>Dave Saville
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From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Steve Wendt)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 13:44:23 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [pmmail-list] headers
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On Mon, 25 Aug 2003, Wayne Dunham wrote:
> I took a look at a couple of the .hdr files that were there and they
> were indeed message headers from individual messages. I'm guessing
> that it is some kind of holdover from a much older version of PmMail
> that stored the individual message headers in a separate folder.
> Anyone with better info?
Just a guess, but it might have something to do with Remote Control.
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From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Tue Aug 26 08:24:39 2003
From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Dave Saville)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 08:24:39 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [pmmail-list] headers
In-Reply-To: <200308251943.h7PJhS9Z012578@ohsmtp01.ogw.rr.com>
Message-ID: <20030826075153.NKLZ27190.mta07-svc.ntlworld.com@pooh>
On Mon, 25 Aug 2003 15:43:09 -0400, Ronald K. Smith wrote:
>Hi all.
>
>I just checked my header directory and the files matched up to the last
>set of headers that I received using remote control on the account. I
>hope this is the answer.
>
Ron
I think you are right - I rarely use remote control but did the other
week to get round a virus that blew PMM out of the water every time
it tried to download. So my dates sound about right. I am going to
delete it all.
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From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Tue Aug 26 11:43:49 2003
From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Dean Boulding)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 17:43:49 +0700
Subject: [pmmail-list] No Message Compose Window
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All,
I have set up a new account in PMMail 2000 (build 2661) and it receives (and sends
blank messages) just fine. When I try to compose a new message, or reply, the
window pops up, but the Compose window (where the body goes) does not appear. The
rest of the window appears, but that tool does not -- it is the same grey colour as
the background of the window (no 3D effect either, indicating that the window is
not being rendered at all). Trying to tab into that pane will not access it
either.
Anyone ever seen this before?
TIA,
Dean
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From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Tue Aug 26 13:48:57 2003
From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Wayne Dunham)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 08:48:57 -0400
Subject: [pmmail-list] headers
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Message-ID:
I just confirmed that. I sent a test message to myself and did a
remote control to get the headers of the messages and the header for
that message turned up in the Headers folder for that account which
previously had no files in that folder.
I would guess that it's ok to delete those files in the Headers
folder after you're done with a specific remote control session.
It would be nice if PmMail had some kind of housekeeping function for
that folder to delete the unused .hdr files after it's done with them.
--Original Message Text---
From: Ronald K. Smith
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 15:43:09 -0400
Hi all.
I just checked my header directory and the files matched up to the last
set of headers that I received using remote control on the account. I
hope this is the answer.
Ron Smith
Wayne Dunham
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From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Dave Saville)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 18:22:06 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [pmmail-list] headers
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On Tue, 26 Aug 2003 08:48:57 -0400, Wayne Dunham wrote:
> It would be nice if PmMail had some kind of housekeeping function for
>that folder to delete the unused .hdr files after it's done with them.
I just modified my trash cleaner I use because PMM takes forever to
delete trash files > n days old. It now cleans out HEADERS dirs as
well.
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From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Steve Wendt)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 10:27:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [pmmail-list] No Message Compose Window
In-Reply-To:
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On Tue, 26 Aug 2003, Dean Boulding wrote:
> I have set up a new account in PMMail 2000 (build 2661) and it receives (and sends
> blank messages) just fine. When I try to compose a new message, or reply, the
> window pops up, but the Compose window (where the body goes) does not appear. The
> rest of the window appears, but that tool does not -- it is the same grey colour as
> the background of the window (no 3D effect either, indicating that the window is
> not being rendered at all). Trying to tab into that pane will not access it
> either.
Is it trying to use an external editor?
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From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Michael Rowe)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 14:05:54 -0400
Subject: [pmmail-list] No Message Compose Window
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I had this same problem on my mother-in-law's machine.. The problems is the external editor... you should change it to say only for reading not for writing
....
Michael
On Tue, 26 Aug 2003 10:27:03 -0700 (PDT), Steve Wendt wrote:
>On Tue, 26 Aug 2003, Dean Boulding wrote:
>> I have set up a new account in PMMail 2000 (build 2661) and it receives (and sends
>> blank messages) just fine. When I try to compose a new message, or reply, the
>> window pops up, but the Compose window (where the body goes) does not appear. The
>> rest of the window appears, but that tool does not -- it is the same grey colour as
>> the background of the window (no 3D effect either, indicating that the window is
>> not being rendered at all). Trying to tab into that pane will not access it
>> either.
>Is it trying to use an external editor?
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I had this same problem on my mother-in-law's machine.. The problems is the external editor... you should change it to say only for reading not for writing ....
Michael
On Tue, 26 Aug 2003 10:27:03 -0700 (PDT), Steve Wendt wrote:
>On Tue, 26 Aug 2003, Dean Boulding wrote:
>
>> I have set up a new account in PMMail 2000 (build 2661) and it receives (and sends
>> blank messages) just fine. When I try to compose a new message, or reply, the
>> window pops up, but the Compose window (where the body goes) does not appear. The
>> rest of the window appears, but that tool does not -- it is the same grey colour as
>> the background of the window (no 3D effect either, indicating that the window is
>> not being rendered at all). Trying to tab into that pane will not access it
>> either.
>
>Is it trying to use an external editor?
>
>
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From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Tue Aug 26 21:01:55 2003
From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Dave Saville)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 21:01:55 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [pmmail-list] filters - multifilter
Message-ID: <20030826200850.IJWE12144.mta01-svc.ntlworld.com@pooh>
Below is a rexx cmd file to use for pmmail incoming., It contains a
list of filters and runs them sequentially. Based on the weasel
multifiter.
You may need to change the path to perl, if you have it installed, if
not it does not matter as it will not be trying to use perl scripts
:-) You could use it to invoke a perl filter instead of a rexx one.
Seems to be working OK on my system. Bogofilter does its stuff and
then my little perl script removes Re: & friends from the subject so
that sorting by subject then date works.
/****************************************************************/
/* Filter for use with PMMail */
/* */
/* Modified from multifilter.cmd as shipped for weasel */
/* */
/* Dave Saville August 2003 */
/* */
/* dave.saville@ntlworld.com */
/* */
/* The function of this filter is to call a sequence of */
/* other filters. This allows you to take filters written */
/* by other people, and in effect combine them without */
/* having to rewrite the individual filters. */
/* */
/* STATUS: Working */
/* */
/* Author: Peter Moylan (peter@ee.newcastle.edu.au) */
/* Started: 30 October 2001 */
/* Last revised: 04 May 2002 */
/* */
/* Installation: */
/* Change the assignment to string variable FiltersToCall */
/* (see below, line 29 of this script) to make it a */
/* comma-separated list of the individual filter */
/* programs that you want to call. */
/* */
/****************************************************************/
FiltersToCall = "D:\Apps\SouthSide\User_Tools\pmm_bogofilter.cmd,
d:\bin\pmmail_dere.pl"
CALL RxFuncAdd SysLoadFuncs, rexxutil, sysloadfuncs
CALL SysLoadFuncs
PARSE ARG File
DO WHILE (FiltersToCall \= '')
PARSE VAR FiltersToCall ThisFilter ',' FiltersToCall
k = LASTPOS('.', ThisFilter)
IF (k>0) & (TRANSLATE(SUBSTR(ThisFilter, k+1)) = 'CMD') THEN
INTERPRET 'CALL "'STRIP(ThisFilter)'" File'
ELSE IF (k>0) & (TRANSLATE(SUBSTR(ThisFilter, k+1)) = 'PL') THEN
DO
'@d:\usr\bin\perl.exe 'STRIP(ThisFilter) File
END
ELSE
DO
'@'ThisFilter File
END
END
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From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Hazen Woods)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 04:03:34 -0500
Subject: [pmmail-list] Default Font - what are they?
Message-ID: <200308270903.h7R93db00765@david.io.com>
The subject says it all. What are the default fonts? Applies to both OS/2 and Windows versions, but
particularly Windows.
Help is of no help on this one.
TIA
Hazen Woods
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eCS and Win2k Pro
what a combination
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From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Mike Kilroy)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 10:07:53 -0400
Subject: [pmmail-list] [mkc] bcc: Inconvenience
In-Reply-To: <20030824214050.VRMS3527.smtp02.fuse.net@A30pCG>
Message-ID: <200308271407.h7RE7j1Y016230@kilroywashere.com>
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windows version doesn't show bcc anywhere.
On Sun, 24 Aug 2003 17:40:27 -0400 (EDT), Carl Gehr wrote:
>On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 21:25:53 +0700, Dean Boulding wrote:
>>Since Pat is talking about bcc data, I just noticed a small weakness in PMMail
>>today.
>>
>>If you try to reopen a message from the "Sent Mail" folder with bcc addresses, you
>>cannot see who the actual recipients (i.e. those who were "blind-carbon_copied"
>>were. I can copy or move the message to the Drafts folder and clicking on the
>>cc/bcc toggle will cause the addresses to appear, so they are stored somewhere.
>>
>>What would be ideal, from my point of view, would be a way to do this while
>>reviewing a message from the usual folder (Sent Mail).
>>
>>For version 2005 or later, probably, but I thought I'd note it.
>>
>>Dean
>Display the message in the SENT folder. Then either use:
> Window->View Full Header
>or
> Click the icon on the tool bar that does this.
> [At least it does on OS/2...]
>Carl
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On Sun, 24 Aug 2003 17:40:27 -0400 (EDT), Carl Gehr wrote:
>On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 21:25:53 +0700, Dean Boulding wrote:
>
>>Since Pat is talking about bcc data, I just noticed a small weakness in PMMail
>>today.
>>
>>If you try to reopen a message from the "Sent Mail" folder with bcc addresses, you
>>cannot see who the actual recipients (i.e. those who were "blind-carbon_copied"
>>were. I can copy or move the message to the Drafts folder and clicking on the
>>cc/bcc toggle will cause the addresses to appear, so they are stored somewhere.
>>
>>What would be ideal, from my point of view, would be a way to do this while
>>reviewing a message from the usual folder (Sent Mail).
>>
>>For version 2005 or later, probably, but I thought I'd note it.
>>
>>Dean
>
>Display the message in the SENT folder. Then either use:
> Window->View Full Header
>or
> Click the icon on the tool bar that does this.
> [At least it does on OS/2...]
>
>Carl
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From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Dave)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 10:06:05 -0500
Subject: [pmmail-list] [mkc] bcc: Inconvenience
In-Reply-To: <200308271407.h7RE7j1Y016230@kilroywashere.com>
Message-ID:
--Original Message Text---
From: Mike Kilroy
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 10:07:53 -0400
>windows version doesn't show bcc anywhere.
???
In my sent mail (PMMail Pro 2.20.2717), BCCs show fine when you
press the Alt-V key (Window->View Full Message). In incoming mail,
BCCs are not shown because they are supposed to be hidden (that's
the point).
In the Windows version, you get to BCC by hitting the CC "button"
to toggle to BCC mode. The CC and BCC share input areas, but
separate lists.
I guess I just didn't understand your statement?
Dave
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From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Wed Aug 27 16:43:52 2003
From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Oberon)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 10:43:52 -0500
Subject: [pmmail-list] [mkc] bcc: Inconvenience
In-Reply-To:
Message-ID:
On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 10:06:05 -0500, Dave wrote:
>--Original Message Text---
>From: Mike Kilroy
>Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 10:07:53 -0400
>
>>windows version doesn't show bcc anywhere.
>
>???
>
>In my sent mail (PMMail Pro 2.20.2717), BCCs show fine when you
>press the Alt-V key (Window->View Full Message). In incoming mail,
>BCCs are not shown because they are supposed to be hidden (that's
>the point).
>
>In the Windows version, you get to BCC by hitting the CC "button"
>to toggle to BCC mode. The CC and BCC share input areas, but
>separate lists.
I use 2.20.2717 under Win2K, and I have the same problem. Once a message has
been sent and subsequently filed in the Sent folder, then when looking in the
Sent folder at the saved copy, even Alt-V fails to display those addresses
which were BCC in the original transmission.
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From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Wed Aug 27 16:49:53 2003
From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Dave)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 10:49:53 -0500
Subject: [pmmail-list] [mkc] bcc: Inconvenience
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On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 10:43:52 -0500, Oberon wrote:
>I use 2.20.2717 under Win2K, and I have the same problem. Once a message has
>been sent and subsequently filed in the Sent folder, then when looking in the
>Sent folder at the saved copy, even Alt-V fails to display those addresses
>which were BCC in the original transmission.
>
Wow, I too use Win2K. I'll BCC you this reply, then bounce the
saved message so you can see what I see. It is the third header
line. Interesting that we use the same version of Windows and PMMail
and see different things. That's new to me.
Dave
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From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Wed Aug 27 16:58:10 2003
From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Dave)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 10:58:10 -0500
Subject: [pmmail-list] [mkc] bcc: Inconvenience
In-Reply-To:
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Now this is very odd. Here is the message I sent Oberon and the
list, from my sent mail folder:
********************************
From: "Dave"
To: "pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com"
Cc: "dave@bunkonet.com"
Bcc: "Oberon"
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 10:49:53 -0500
Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.20.2717) For Windows 2000 (5.0.2195;2)
In-Reply-To:
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Subject: Re: [pmmail-list] [mkc] bcc: Inconvenience
On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 10:43:52 -0500, Oberon wrote:
>I use 2.20.2717 under Win2K, and I have the same problem. Once a message has
>been sent and subsequently filed in the Sent folder, then when looking in the
>Sent folder at the saved copy, even Alt-V fails to display those addresses
>which were BCC in the original transmission.
>
Wow, I too use Win2K. I'll BCC you this reply, then bounce the
saved message so you can see what I see. It is the third header
line. Interesting that we use the same version of Windows and PMMail
and see different things. That's new to me.
Dave
********************************
When I try to FWD it to him, it looks like this
********************************
==================BEGIN FORWARDED MESSAGE==================
>From: "Dave"
>To: "pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com"
>Cc: "dave@bunkonet.com"
>Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 10:49:53 -0500
>Priority: Normal
*snip*
********************************
Note, the BCC is removed!
Finally, I tried to print the file, headers showing, using a
PDF writer (Win2PDF) to show what was happening. PMMail never
printed the file, and when I went to open it from the sent mail
folder, the file (*.msg) was missing! I had to quit/restart
PMMail before the message was found again. This was repeatable.
Methinks PMMail is acting too "smart".
Dave
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From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Tim Roberts)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 09:02:19 -0700
Subject: [pmmail-list] Default Font - what are they?
In-Reply-To: <200308270903.h7R93db00765@david.io.com>
Message-ID: <200308271602.h7RG2IG23713@probo.probo.com>
On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 04:03:34 -0500, Hazen Woods wrote:
>
>The subject says it all. What are the default fonts? Applies to both
>OS/2 and Windows versions, but particularly Windows.
>
>Help is of no help on this one.
No, I wouldn't expect it to be. It's kind of an odd question, because the
defaults don't matter: you should set them to whatever is comfortable for you.
You can find the fonts on PMMail->Properties->Fonts.
My header font is Verdana 9pt. My body text font is Courier New 11pt. I don't
think I changed the defaults, although I might have bumped the body text font
size up a point.
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From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Wed Aug 27 18:13:35 2003
From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Dean Boulding)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 00:13:35 +0700
Subject: [pmmail-list] No Message Compose Window
In-Reply-To:
Message-ID: <0HKA00CS6EUY41@imsmta2.indosat.net.id>
Thanks, that got it. I actually tried the other two options, but that one made
little sense, so I didn't try it. As it was a new account, that particular
preference seems an odd one.
BTW, the actual setting needed is the opposite one: "Use for message composing" but
the whole dialogue is a little illogical.
Thanks,
Dean
On Tue, 26 Aug 2003 14:05:54 -0400, Michael Rowe wrote:
|I had this same problem on my mother-in-law's machine.. The problems is the
external editor... you should change it to say only for reading not for writing
|....
|
|Michael
|
|On Tue, 26 Aug 2003 10:27:03 -0700 (PDT), Steve Wendt wrote:
|
|>On Tue, 26 Aug 2003, Dean Boulding wrote:
|
|>> I have set up a new account in PMMail 2000 (build 2661) and it receives (and
sends
|>> blank messages) just fine. When I try to compose a new message, or reply, the
|>> window pops up, but the Compose window (where the body goes) does not appear.
The
|>> rest of the window appears, but that tool does not -- it is the same grey colour
as
|>> the background of the window (no 3D effect either, indicating that the window is
|>> not being rendered at all). Trying to tab into that pane will not access it
|>> either.
|
|>Is it trying to use an external editor?
|
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From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Wed Aug 27 19:04:34 2003
From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Hazen Woods)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 13:04:34 -0500
Subject: [pmmail-list] Default Font - what are they?
In-Reply-To: <200308271602.h7RG2IG23713@probo.probo.com>
Message-ID: <200308271804.h7RI4ab13970@david.io.com>
Thanks, Tim.
Hmm. Doesn't seem that odd to me. What prompted the question is that I copied and pasted text
from a text document which was in a font which I needed to change for whatever reason. It was
underlined etc. Help says that font changes don't work in the default font. I happen to like the default
and it has met my needs since I first installed PMMail long time back. Since I wanted to change the
pasted font and I wanted to keep the font represented in "default", I needed to know what that default
was. Seemed easier to ask here than to go through all of the fonts in the drop down menu.
Anyway thanks for your reply.
Hazen
On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 09:02:19 -0700, Tim Roberts wrote:
>>On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 04:03:34 -0500, Hazen Woods wrote:
>>>
>>>The subject says it all. What are the default fonts? Applies to both
>>>OS/2 and Windows versions, but particularly Windows.
>>>
>>>Help is of no help on this one.
>>
>>No, I wouldn't expect it to be. It's kind of an odd question, because the
>>defaults don't matter: you should set them to whatever is comfortable for you.
>>You can find the fonts on PMMail->Properties->Fonts.
>>
>>My header font is Verdana 9pt. My body text font is Courier New 11pt. I don't
>>think I changed the defaults, although I might have bumped the body text font
>>size up a point.
>>
>>--
>>- Tim Roberts, timr@probo.com
>> Providenza & Boekelheide, Inc.
>>
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From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Hazen Woods)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 13:23:31 -0500
Subject: [pmmail-list] Default Font - ANSWERED
Message-ID: <200308271823.h7RINXK28438@solomon.io.com>
Hey, Tim and all.
Found a little time and went through the font list one by one. Then with the help of a somewhat educated
guess found the font that it listed as Default.
Thanks to all.
Hazen Woods
Austin, TX USA
eCS and Win2k Pro
what a combination
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From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Wed Aug 27 20:45:26 2003
From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Larry Alkoff)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 14:45:26 -0500
Subject: [pmmail-list] Default Font - ANSWERED
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Message-ID:
On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 13:23:31 -0500, Hazen Woods wrote:
>Hey, Tim and all.
>
>Found a little time and went through the font list one by one. Then with the help of a somewhat educated
>guess found the font that it listed as Default.
>
>Thanks to all.
>
>Hazen Woods
>Austin, TX USA
>eCS and Win2k Pro
>what a combination
I guess you loaded each font and visually compared them.
What fonts did you find to be the default?
Larry Alkoff N2LA - Austin TX
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From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (James Moe)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 13:16:43 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [pmmail-list] [mkc] bcc: Inconvenience
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On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 10:43:52 -0500, Oberon wrote:
>I use 2.20.2717 under Win2K, and I have the same problem. Once a message has
>been sent and subsequently filed in the Sent folder, then when looking in the
>Sent folder at the saved copy, even Alt-V fails to display those addresses
>which were BCC in the original transmission.
>
That is as it should be. BCC is *BLIND* carbon copy, meaning it cannot be seen. You
only see BCC entries in the compose window. The message in the Sent folder is how it
was sent (and ultimately received), not how it was composed.
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From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Dave)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 15:58:59 -0500
Subject: [pmmail-list] [mkc] bcc: Inconvenience
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On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 13:16:43 -0700 (MST), James Moe wrote:
> That is as it should be. BCC is *BLIND* carbon copy, meaning it cannot be seen. You
>only see BCC entries in the compose window. The message in the Sent folder is how it
>was sent (and ultimately received), not how it was composed.
Maybe how it should be, but not how it is in my version of PMMail.
The BCC is still visible when Alt-V is pressed.
Dave
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From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Mike Kilroy)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 17:15:06 -0400
Subject: [pmmail-list] [mkc] bcc: Inconvenience
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wierd. Windows XP here. doesn't work.
On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 10:06:05 -0500, Dave wrote:
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>From: Mike Kilroy
>Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 10:07:53 -0400
>>windows version doesn't show bcc anywhere.
>???
>In my sent mail (PMMail Pro 2.20.2717), BCCs show fine when you
>press the Alt-V key (Window->View Full Message). In incoming mail,
>BCCs are not shown because they are supposed to be hidden (that's
>the point).
>In the Windows version, you get to BCC by hitting the CC "button"
>to toggle to BCC mode. The CC and BCC share input areas, but
>separate lists.
>I guess I just didn't understand your statement?
>Dave
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wierd. Windows XP here. doesn't work.
On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 10:06:05 -0500, Dave wrote:
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>From: Mike Kilroy
>Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 10:07:53 -0400
>
>>windows version doesn't show bcc anywhere.
>
>???
>
>In my sent mail (PMMail Pro 2.20.2717), BCCs show fine when you
>press the Alt-V key (Window->View Full Message). In incoming mail,
>BCCs are not shown because they are supposed to be hidden (that's
>the point).
>
>In the Windows version, you get to BCC by hitting the CC "button"
>to toggle to BCC mode. The CC and BCC share input areas, but
>separate lists.
>
>I guess I just didn't understand your statement?
>
>Dave
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From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Mike Kilroy)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 17:16:16 -0400
Subject: [pmmail-list] [mkc] bcc: Inconvenience
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I have same ver as you but my windows xp/pmmail sure doesn't add that line!
On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 10:58:10 -0500, Dave wrote:
>Now this is very odd. Here is the message I sent Oberon and the
>list, from my sent mail folder:
>********************************
>From: "Dave"
>To: "pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com"
>Cc: "dave@bunkonet.com"
>Bcc: "Oberon"
>Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 10:49:53 -0500
>Priority: Normal
>X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.20.2717) For Windows 2000 (5.0.2195;2)
>In-Reply-To:
>MIME-Version: 1.0
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
>Subject: Re: [pmmail-list] [mkc] bcc: Inconvenience
>On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 10:43:52 -0500, Oberon wrote:
>>I use 2.20.2717 under Win2K, and I have the same problem. Once a message has
>>been sent and subsequently filed in the Sent folder, then when looking in the
>>Sent folder at the saved copy, even Alt-V fails to display those addresses
>>which were BCC in the original transmission.
>>
>Wow, I too use Win2K. I'll BCC you this reply, then bounce the
>saved message so you can see what I see. It is the third header
>line. Interesting that we use the same version of Windows and PMMail
>and see different things. That's new to me.
>Dave
>
>********************************
>When I try to FWD it to him, it looks like this
>********************************
>==================BEGIN FORWARDED MESSAGE==================
>>From: "Dave"
>>To: "pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com"
>>Cc: "dave@bunkonet.com"
>>Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 10:49:53 -0500
>>Priority: Normal
>*snip*
>********************************
>Note, the BCC is removed!
>Finally, I tried to print the file, headers showing, using a
>PDF writer (Win2PDF) to show what was happening. PMMail never
>printed the file, and when I went to open it from the sent mail
>folder, the file (*.msg) was missing! I had to quit/restart
>PMMail before the message was found again. This was repeatable.
>Methinks PMMail is acting too "smart".
>Dave
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I have same ver as you but my windows xp/pmmail sure doesn't add that line!
On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 10:58:10 -0500, Dave wrote:
>Now this is very odd. Here is the message I sent Oberon and the
>list, from my sent mail folder:
>
>********************************
>From: "Dave" <dave@bunkonet.com>
>To: "pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com" <pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com>
>Cc: "dave@bunkonet.com" <dave@bunkonet.com>
>Bcc: "Oberon" <oberon@webiowa.net>
>Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 10:49:53 -0500
>Priority: Normal
>X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.20.2717) For Windows 2000 (5.0.2195;2)
>In-Reply-To: <E19s2Sf-000612-BO@web11.acesinfo.com>
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>Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
>Subject: Re: [pmmail-list] [mkc] bcc: Inconvenience
>
>On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 10:43:52 -0500, Oberon wrote:
>
>>I use 2.20.2717 under Win2K, and I have the same problem. Once a message has
>>been sent and subsequently filed in the Sent folder, then when looking in the
>>Sent folder at the saved copy, even Alt-V fails to display those addresses
>>which were BCC in the original transmission.
>>
>
>Wow, I too use Win2K. I'll BCC you this reply, then bounce the
>saved message so you can see what I see. It is the third header
>line. Interesting that we use the same version of Windows and PMMail
>and see different things. That's new to me.
>
>Dave
>
>
>********************************
>
>When I try to FWD it to him, it looks like this
>
>********************************
>==================BEGIN FORWARDED MESSAGE==================
>>From: "Dave" <dave@bunkonet.com>
>>To: "pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com" <pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com>
>>Cc: "dave@bunkonet.com" <dave@bunkonet.com>
>>Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 10:49:53 -0500
>>Priority: Normal
>*snip*
>********************************
>
>Note, the BCC is removed!
>
>Finally, I tried to print the file, headers showing, using a
>PDF writer (Win2PDF) to show what was happening. PMMail never
>printed the file, and when I went to open it from the sent mail
>folder, the file (*.msg) was missing! I had to quit/restart
>PMMail before the message was found again. This was repeatable.
>
>Methinks PMMail is acting too "smart".
>
>Dave
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From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Carl Gehr)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 17:41:32 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [pmmail-list] [mkc] bcc: Inconvenience
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On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 13:16:43 -0700 (MST), James Moe wrote:
> That is as it should be. BCC is *BLIND* carbon copy, meaning it cannot be seen. You
>only see BCC entries in the compose window. The message in the Sent folder is how it
>was sent (and ultimately received), not how it was composed.
No, I disagree. And, it should not matter which OS. [And, it does not
seem to matter for Dave.]
Let's be sure we are all talking about the SAME COPY of a message.
There are THREE possibilities:
1) The compose window: This is BEFORE the message is sent. There is a
single window for 'cc' and 'bcc' that alternately displays the
recipients. Some to be placed in the transmitted message [cc] and some
to be 'hidden' [bcc] in the transmitted message.
2) The Sent Mail Folder: This is where PMMail puts the message
as/after it is transmitted to the ISP [or Mail server, if you prefer].
This is a complete COPY of what was SENT to the ISP. It will ONLY have
the header records that are created by PMMail. This copy of the
message has/will not see nor be seen on the Internet. This copy DOES
have the 'bcc:' header records and in my OS/2 [and in Dave's Win2K]
system, viewing the "Full Header" [or the "Full Message"] WILL show
that header record. And, an aside, if you are looking at the message
only in the PMMail viewer, you will not see the 'bcc' list. You MUST
either:
Window->View Full Header [Ctrl-V]
Window->View Full Message [Alt-V]
or [at least in OS/2]
Click the 'toggle' tool-bar icon.
[It's the one that looks like a square with
five small horizontal lines through the top
half of the icon.]
The normal message viewing window/panel does *not* have a 'bcc' field.
So, even for this copy, the 'bcc' list will not show without the extra
'clicks' just mentioned.
3) The copy of the message that has gone out on the network and been
echoed back to the sender, either because it has the sender in the
'To:' or the 'cc:' or the 'bcc:' field. Because this version of the
message has actually been out on the network [via the ISP's SMTP
server], it will NOT show the 'bcc:' header record. The SMTP server
*looks* at the 'bcc:' record, sends the message to those IDs listed and
then DELETEs the 'bcc:' and all of the IDs in that record. Again,
because this message has been 'transmitted' it will NOT show the BLIND
copy recipients. That is, in essence, the definition of 'bcc'.
So, if you are looking at any message in #2 that has a 'bcc' list, you
should see the list of names. If you are looking at #1, there are NO
HEADER records established yet, so the only place you can see anything
about the recipients is in the cc/bcc window. And, the #3 copy, should
NEVER have the 'bcc' list shown no matter what hot-keys or menu items
you use.
Now, are we all talking about the #2 copies of the message? Any
discussion of the others is really not productive in resolving the
stated problem.
Carl
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From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Wed Aug 27 22:47:50 2003
From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Carl Gehr)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 17:47:50 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [pmmail-list] No Message Compose Window
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On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 00:13:35 +0700, Dean Boulding wrote:
>Thanks, that got it. I actually tried the other two options, but that one made
>little sense, so I didn't try it. As it was a new account, that particular
>preference seems an odd one.
>
>BTW, the actual setting needed is the opposite one: "Use for message composing" but
>the whole dialogue is a little illogical.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Dean
>
>
>On Tue, 26 Aug 2003 14:05:54 -0400, Michael Rowe wrote:
>
>|I had this same problem on my mother-in-law's machine.. The problems is the
>external editor... you should change it to say only for reading not for writing
>|....
>|
>|Michael
OK, the missing link finally appears...
Do NOT USE an 'EXTERNAL EDITOR' to view any of this. The
text that goes in there is only the TEXT! You are not supposed
to be 'editing' the headers. So, I guess that's why you are
not seeing headers.
Carl
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From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Carl Gehr)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 18:12:50 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [pmmail-list] Default Font - what are they?
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On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 04:03:34 -0500, Hazen Woods wrote:
>The subject says it all. What are the default fonts? Applies to both OS/2 and Windows versions, but
>particularly Windows.
>
>Help is of no help on this one.
>
>TIA
>
>Hazen Woods
Hazen,
Can't help you with Windoze. BUT, in OS/2, the fonts can be set by
using the Font-Pallet tool. Using the tool, you pick the one you want
and drag/drop it in the section of the PMMail/2 window that you want to
change. I have done this for several segments of the window to make
the messages fit in the field size provided. [The field size cannot be
changed.]
Also, Re: dropping an underlined font
I'm not sure how this can ever be handled. PMMail/2 is a PLAIN TEXT
based package. This means no fancy fonts, pictures, etc. Which, FWIW,
is just fine with me. [And, PLEASE, everyone, DO NOT START a Text/HTML
discussion! That horse is DEAD!] So, with a plain-text design, I
suspect you can drop any font, even underlined, in an area of the
window and it will apply to that window. I doubt, though, that there
is any way to apply a variety of fonts to selected portions of text.
Carl
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From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Wed Aug 27 23:44:34 2003
From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Steve Marvin)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 18:44:34 -0400
Subject: [pmmail-list] [mkc] bcc: Inconvenience
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Not all of this is correct. The SMTP server does not look inside the message
data (should not - I don't know ALL possible SMTP servers) and delete lines.
The way PMMail works is that To: Cc: and Bcc: are placed inside the message
body in the outbox, but when sending the DATA to the SMTP server the Bcc:
header is suppressed.
If you actually send a message with Bcc: header(s) in the message data, it
will arrive at the destination with them still there (can't do this with
PMMail because it strips that header).
Prove it to yourself by drafting a message with Bcc: and run a packet
sniffer or use OS/2's IPTrace while sending it to the server.
Now draft a message without a Bcc: and queuing it in the outbox. Manually
edit with a text editor and add a Bcc: anywhere in the headers. Send
with the packet sniffer on and look at the packets (voila no Bcc:).
On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 17:41:32 -0400 (EDT), Carl Gehr wrote:
>On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 13:16:43 -0700 (MST), James Moe wrote:
>
>> That is as it should be. BCC is *BLIND* carbon copy, meaning it cannot be seen. You
>>only see BCC entries in the compose window. The message in the Sent folder is how it
>>was sent (and ultimately received), not how it was composed.
>
>No, I disagree. And, it should not matter which OS. [And, it does not
>seem to matter for Dave.]
>
>Let's be sure we are all talking about the SAME COPY of a message.
>There are THREE possibilities:
>
>1) The compose window: This is BEFORE the message is sent. There is a
>single window for 'cc' and 'bcc' that alternately displays the
>recipients. Some to be placed in the transmitted message [cc] and some
>to be 'hidden' [bcc] in the transmitted message.
>
>2) The Sent Mail Folder: This is where PMMail puts the message
>as/after it is transmitted to the ISP [or Mail server, if you prefer].
>This is a complete COPY of what was SENT to the ISP. It will ONLY have
>the header records that are created by PMMail. This copy of the
>message has/will not see nor be seen on the Internet. This copy DOES
>have the 'bcc:' header records and in my OS/2 [and in Dave's Win2K]
>system, viewing the "Full Header" [or the "Full Message"] WILL show
>that header record. And, an aside, if you are looking at the message
>only in the PMMail viewer, you will not see the 'bcc' list. You MUST
>either:
> Window->View Full Header [Ctrl-V]
> Window->View Full Message [Alt-V]
>or [at least in OS/2]
> Click the 'toggle' tool-bar icon.
> [It's the one that looks like a square with
> five small horizontal lines through the top
> half of the icon.]
>The normal message viewing window/panel does *not* have a 'bcc' field.
>So, even for this copy, the 'bcc' list will not show without the extra
>'clicks' just mentioned.
>
>3) The copy of the message that has gone out on the network and been
>echoed back to the sender, either because it has the sender in the
>'To:' or the 'cc:' or the 'bcc:' field. Because this version of the
>message has actually been out on the network [via the ISP's SMTP
>server], it will NOT show the 'bcc:' header record. The SMTP server
>*looks* at the 'bcc:' record, sends the message to those IDs listed and
>then DELETEs the 'bcc:' and all of the IDs in that record. Again,
>because this message has been 'transmitted' it will NOT show the BLIND
>copy recipients. That is, in essence, the definition of 'bcc'.
>
>So, if you are looking at any message in #2 that has a 'bcc' list, you
>should see the list of names. If you are looking at #1, there are NO
>HEADER records established yet, so the only place you can see anything
>about the recipients is in the cc/bcc window. And, the #3 copy, should
>NEVER have the 'bcc' list shown no matter what hot-keys or menu items
>you use.
>
>Now, are we all talking about the #2 copies of the message? Any
>discussion of the others is really not productive in resolving the
>stated problem.
>
>Carl
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From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Thu Aug 28 00:25:37 2003
From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Hazen Woods)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 18:25:37 -0500
Subject: [pmmail-list] Default Font - what are they?
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Thanks, Carl,
I know how to change the fonts. My question was simply to determine what the "default" font was,
because I wanted to correct the drop and drag and get rid of the underscore, etc for the very reasons
you set out in your post. See my earlier response concerning the reasons from my question.
Incidentally, when I moved the new message into draft to resolve the font problem and reopened it
later, the embellishments were gone. Would appear that PMMail took care of the problem itself.
On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 18:12:50 -0400 (EDT), Carl Gehr wrote:
>>On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 04:03:34 -0500, Hazen Woods wrote:
>>
>>>The subject says it all. What are the default fonts? Applies to both OS/2 and Windows versions,
but
>>>particularly Windows.
>>>
>>>Help is of no help on this one.
>>>
>>>TIA
>>>
>>>Hazen Woods
>>
>>Hazen,
>>
>>Can't help you with Windoze. BUT, in OS/2, the fonts can be set by
>>using the Font-Pallet tool. Using the tool, you pick the one you want
>>and drag/drop it in the section of the PMMail/2 window that you want to
>>change. I have done this for several segments of the window to make
>>the messages fit in the field size provided. [The field size cannot be
>>changed.]
>>
>>Also, Re: dropping an underlined font
>>I'm not sure how this can ever be handled. PMMail/2 is a PLAIN TEXT
>>based package. This means no fancy fonts, pictures, etc. Which, FWIW,
>>is just fine with me. [And, PLEASE, everyone, DO NOT START a Text/HTML
>>discussion! That horse is DEAD!] So, with a plain-text design, I
>>suspect you can drop any font, even underlined, in an area of the
>>window and it will apply to that window. I doubt, though, that there
>>is any way to apply a variety of fonts to selected portions of text.
>>
>>Carl
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eCS and Win2k Pro
what a combination
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From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Tim Roberts)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 17:00:58 -0700
Subject: [pmmail-list] [mkc] bcc: Inconvenience
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On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 18:44:34 -0400, Steve Marvin wrote:
>
>Not all of this is correct. The SMTP server does not look inside the message
>data (should not - I don't know ALL possible SMTP servers) and delete lines.
Actually, sendmail and its kin DO have to manipulate some of the headers.
They will add quite a number of headers, might possibly rewrite the address
headers, and might rewrite the Date: header as well.
>The way PMMail works is that To: Cc: and Bcc: are placed inside the message
>body in the outbox, but when sending the DATA to the SMTP server the Bcc:
>header is suppressed.
>
>If you actually send a message with Bcc: header(s) in the message data, it
>will arrive at the destination with them still there (can't do this with
>PMMail because it strips that header).
>
>Prove it to yourself by drafting a message with Bcc: and run a packet
>sniffer or use OS/2's IPTrace while sending it to the server.
I started to compose a reply saying exactly the same thing. Before I did so,
however, I wanted to PROVE it to myself to avoid increasing my "bozo
quotient". So, I telnetted into our e-mail server's SMTP port and did the
experiment, typing SMTP directly in to the server with no middleman. To my
rather great surprise, sendmail stripped the "Bcc:" header out of the message
before sending it back to me. I grepped through the sendmail.cf file looking
for the translation that did this. I couldn't find it, but the "Bcc:" header
was definitely gone by the time the message came back to me.
My expectation was that your description is correct: the e-mail client (i.e.,
PMMail) should strip the Bcc: line out before sending it via SMTP. That's
the way I've always done it when I've written e-mail clients. However, it
appears that sendmail, at least, will take care of it for us if we forget.
--
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Providenza & Boekelheide, Inc.
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From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Mike Kilroy)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 20:35:28 -0400
Subject: [pmmail-list] [mkc] bcc: Inconvenience
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YES.
On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 17:41:32 -0400 (EDT), Carl Gehr wrote:
>Now are we all talking about the #2 copies of the message?
Mike, AC8V
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From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Thu Aug 28 01:38:58 2003
From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Dean Boulding)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 07:38:58 +0700
Subject: [pmmail-list] [mkc] bcc: Inconvenience
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Hi Carl,
You are just about right, at least on my computer (Win2k). Alt-V works, but Ctl-V
does not. Someone apparently made a decision about which items appear in which of
these views.
In fact someone suggested Alt-V a while ago, and I tried it and it worked (I had
earlier only tried Ctl-V). So I thought we had this solved some time ago! Didn't
want to interrupt everyone else, though.
Thanks for taking the time to put together a lucid answer.
Dean
P.S. The other "undocumented feature" I was describing was a completely different
situation, nothing to do with looking at headers.
On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 17:41:32 -0400 (EDT), Carl Gehr wrote:
|On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 13:16:43 -0700 (MST), James Moe wrote:
|
|> That is as it should be. BCC is *BLIND* carbon copy, meaning it cannot be seen.
You
|>only see BCC entries in the compose window. The message in the Sent folder is how
it
|>was sent (and ultimately received), not how it was composed.
|
|No, I disagree. And, it should not matter which OS. [And, it does not
|seem to matter for Dave.]
|
|Let's be sure we are all talking about the SAME COPY of a message.
|There are THREE possibilities:
|
|1) The compose window: This is BEFORE the message is sent. There is a
|single window for 'cc' and 'bcc' that alternately displays the
|recipients. Some to be placed in the transmitted message [cc] and some
|to be 'hidden' [bcc] in the transmitted message.
|
|2) The Sent Mail Folder: This is where PMMail puts the message
|as/after it is transmitted to the ISP [or Mail server, if you prefer].
|This is a complete COPY of what was SENT to the ISP. It will ONLY have
|the header records that are created by PMMail. This copy of the
|message has/will not see nor be seen on the Internet. This copy DOES
|have the 'bcc:' header records and in my OS/2 [and in Dave's Win2K]
|system, viewing the "Full Header" [or the "Full Message"] WILL show
|that header record. And, an aside, if you are looking at the message
|only in the PMMail viewer, you will not see the 'bcc' list. You MUST
|either:
| Window->View Full Header [Ctrl-V]
| Window->View Full Message [Alt-V]
|or [at least in OS/2]
| Click the 'toggle' tool-bar icon.
| [It's the one that looks like a square with
| five small horizontal lines through the top
| half of the icon.]
|The normal message viewing window/panel does *not* have a 'bcc' field.
|So, even for this copy, the 'bcc' list will not show without the extra
|'clicks' just mentioned.
|
|3) The copy of the message that has gone out on the network and been
|echoed back to the sender, either because it has the sender in the
|'To:' or the 'cc:' or the 'bcc:' field. Because this version of the
|message has actually been out on the network [via the ISP's SMTP
|server], it will NOT show the 'bcc:' header record. The SMTP server
|*looks* at the 'bcc:' record, sends the message to those IDs listed and
|then DELETEs the 'bcc:' and all of the IDs in that record. Again,
|because this message has been 'transmitted' it will NOT show the BLIND
|copy recipients. That is, in essence, the definition of 'bcc'.
|
|So, if you are looking at any message in #2 that has a 'bcc' list, you
|should see the list of names. If you are looking at #1, there are NO
|HEADER records established yet, so the only place you can see anything
|about the recipients is in the cc/bcc window. And, the #3 copy, should
|NEVER have the 'bcc' list shown no matter what hot-keys or menu items
|you use.
|
|Now, are we all talking about the #2 copies of the message? Any
|discussion of the others is really not productive in resolving the
|stated problem.
|
|Carl
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From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Carl Gehr)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 03:30:51 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [pmmail-list] [mkc] bcc: Inconvenience
In-Reply-To: <200308280000.h7S00vG30356@probo.probo.com>
Message-ID: <20030828073116.BTWT24432.smtp02.fuse.net@A30pCG>
On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 17:00:58 -0700, Tim Roberts wrote:
>
>My expectation was that your description is correct: the e-mail client (i.e.,
>PMMail) should strip the Bcc: line out before sending it via SMTP.
Then, please tell me:
HOW can SMTP possibly know WHO to send the BLIND copies to
if it never sees the 'bcc' tags because PMMail strips the
IDs?
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From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Carl Gehr)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 03:32:12 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [pmmail-list] Default Font - what are they?
In-Reply-To: <200308272325.h7RNPdL19592@hiram.io.com>
Message-ID: <20030828073237.FHHZ7396.mta03.fuse.net@A30pCG>
On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 18:25:37 -0500, Hazen Woods wrote:
>Thanks, Carl,
>
>I know how to change the fonts. My question was simply to determine what the "default" font was,
>because I wanted to correct the drop and drag and get rid of the underscore, etc for the very reasons
>you set out in your post. See my earlier response concerning the reasons from my question.
>
>Incidentally, when I moved the new message into draft to resolve the font problem and reopened it
>later, the embellishments were gone. Would appear that PMMail took care of the problem itself.
Sorry, I misunderstood...
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From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Thu Aug 28 09:03:58 2003
From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Brian Morrison)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 09:03:58 +0100
Subject: [pmmail-list] [mkc] bcc: Inconvenience
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On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 03:30:51 -0400 (EDT) in
20030828073116.BTWT24432.smtp02.fuse.net@A30pCG "Carl Gehr"
wrote:
> On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 17:00:58 -0700, Tim Roberts wrote:
>
> >
> >My expectation was that your description is correct: the e-mail
> >client (i.e., PMMail) should strip the Bcc: line out before sending
> >it via SMTP.
>
> Then, please tell me:
> HOW can SMTP possibly know WHO to send the BLIND copies to
> if it never sees the 'bcc' tags because PMMail strips the
> IDs?
It strips the bcc: header, but it has already used this as the
_envelope_ From: address by this time.
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From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Thu Aug 28 09:16:12 2003
From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Carl Gehr)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 04:16:12 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [pmmail-list] [mkc] bcc: Inconvenience
In-Reply-To: <20030828090358.076ca12b.bdm@fenrir.org.uk>
Message-ID: <20030828081637.KVX10028.mta03.fuse.net@A30pCG>
On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 09:03:58 +0100, Brian Morrison wrote:
>On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 03:30:51 -0400 (EDT) in
>20030828073116.BTWT24432.smtp02.fuse.net@A30pCG "Carl Gehr"
> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 17:00:58 -0700, Tim Roberts wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >My expectation was that your description is correct: the e-mail
>> >client (i.e., PMMail) should strip the Bcc: line out before sending
>> >it via SMTP.
>>
>> Then, please tell me:
>> HOW can SMTP possibly know WHO to send the BLIND copies to
>> if it never sees the 'bcc' tags because PMMail strips the
>> IDs?
>
>It strips the bcc: header, but it has already used this as the
>_envelope_ From: address by this time.
I guess I'm dense... What does the 'bcc' have to do with 'From'?
And, even if it is stripped at this point, this does not keep PMMail
from saving the #2 [see previous post] message in the SENT file with
the 'bcc' intact. I guess I keep belaboring this point because I see
the tag and its list of IDs in every message I send with a 'bcc' list.
And, it appears that other who are using the Win version are also
seeing the tag.
Maybe someone who thinks the tag is NOT there should go into the raw
SENT directory/folder and edit the message with a plain old text editor
and see if the tag is there. I know it is in mine. I see it.
Carl
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From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (mg)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 11:10:12 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [pmmail-list] Default Font - what are they?
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On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 18:12:50 -0400 (EDT), Carl Gehr wrote:
| PMMail/2 is a PLAIN TEXT
|based package. This means no fancy fonts, pictures, etc. Which, FWIW,=
|is just fine with me. [And, PLEASE, everyone, DO NOT START a Text/HTML=
|discussion! That horse is DEAD!] So, with a plain-text design, I
|suspect you can drop any font, even underlined, in an area of the
|window and it will apply to that window. I doubt, though, that there
|is any way to apply a variety of fonts to selected portions of text.
|
|Carl
PMMail/2 may be plain text. Still, html shows up properly if you apply W=
indows/View
message in Webbrowser in hte Read Window.
Maurice Gu=E9ron, BIOP/PMC, Ecole polytechnique, 91128 Palaiseau, France=
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In case of problems only, use: gueron@idf.ext.jussieu.fr
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From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Thu Aug 28 11:11:24 2003
From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Brian Morrison)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 11:11:24 +0100
Subject: [pmmail-list] [mkc] bcc: Inconvenience
In-Reply-To: <20030828081637.KVX10028.mta03.fuse.net@A30pCG>
Message-ID:
On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 04:16:12 -0400 (EDT), Carl Gehr wrote:
>>It strips the bcc: header, but it has already used this as the
>>_envelope_ From: address by this time.
>
>I guess I'm dense... What does the 'bcc' have to do with 'From'?
It doesn't, I typed incorrectly. I meant the following:
It strips the bcc: header, but it has already used this as the
_envelope_ To: address by this time.
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just how damaged have I become?
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From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Rod.. Whitworth)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 21:04:55 +1000
Subject: [pmmail-list] [mkc] bcc: Inconvenience
In-Reply-To: <20030828081637.KVX10028.mta03.fuse.net@A30pCG>
Message-ID: <200308282104.5839716.6@mail.witworx.com>
On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 04:16:12 -0400 (EDT), Carl Gehr wrote:
>On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 09:03:58 +0100, Brian Morrison wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 03:30:51 -0400 (EDT) in
>>20030828073116.BTWT24432.smtp02.fuse.net@A30pCG "Carl Gehr"
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 17:00:58 -0700, Tim Roberts wrote:
>>>
>>> >
>>> >My expectation was that your description is correct: the e-mail
>>> >client (i.e., PMMail) should strip the Bcc: line out before sending
>>> >it via SMTP.
>>>
>>> Then, please tell me:
>>> HOW can SMTP possibly know WHO to send the BLIND copies to
>>> if it never sees the 'bcc' tags because PMMail strips the
>>> IDs?
>>
>>It strips the bcc: header, but it has already used this as the
>>_envelope_ From: address by this time.
>
>I guess I'm dense... What does the 'bcc' have to do with 'From'?
>
>And, even if it is stripped at this point, this does not keep PMMail
>from saving the #2 [see previous post] message in the SENT file with
>the 'bcc' intact. I guess I keep belaboring this point because I see
>the tag and its list of IDs in every message I send with a 'bcc' list.
>And, it appears that other who are using the Win version are also
>seeing the tag.
>
>Maybe someone who thinks the tag is NOT there should go into the raw
>SENT directory/folder and edit the message with a plain old text editor
>and see if the tag is there. I know it is in mine. I see it.
>
>Carl
Might I suggest that if you are interested in how email works and how
email is to work and the cases in between you get a copy of:
"Internet Email protocols"
"A Developer's Guide"
by Kevin Johnson ISBN 0-201-43288-9
which spends a little too much space for me to quote on the 3 methods
of handling BCC.
Besides, if you do buy it, it will help you quote authoratively from
the RFCs on CD in future discussions.
No, I am not related to the author and I do not have any financial
interest in the publisher. It has been a great handbook when I have
been writing email handling code and it is always near at hand.
/R/
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From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Hannes Hromadka)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 13:12:39 +0200
Subject: [pmmail-list] [mkc] bcc: Inconvenience
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On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 07:38:58 +0700, Dean Boulding wrote:
>You are just about right, at least on my computer (Win2k). Alt-V works, but Ctl-V
>does not. Someone apparently made a decision about which items appear in which of
>these views.
Alt+V is View full message
Ctrl+V is View full header
That's the difference: View full message schows really everything (Mime
headers, PGP-signature, and BCC)
Greetings from Vienna
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From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Mike Kilroy)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 08:07:14 -0400
Subject: [pmmail-list] [mkc] bcc: Inconvenience
In-Reply-To: <20030828081637.KVX10028.mta03.fuse.net@A30pCG>
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Thanks for beating on this! I finally see the error in my ways! I was using the ctl-V
approach for this test and as stated now it doesn't show it; but alt-V does. Guess I was dense
- I normally just use the pulldown window->display full header (ctl-v) and forget the other
choice there, window->view full message (alt-V) is there; it shows Bcc.
Thank you very much again. I have on occassion really needed to know who I Bcc'ed and NEVER
till now had a way to find it. THANKS!
On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 04:16:12 -0400 (EDT), Carl Gehr wrote:
>And, even if it is stripped at this point, this does not keep PMMail
>from saving the #2 [see previous post] message in the SENT file with
>the 'bcc' intact. I guess I keep belaboring this point because I see
>the tag and its list of IDs in every message I send with a 'bcc' list.
>And, it appears that other who are using the Win version are also
>seeing the tag.
Mike, AC8V
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From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Oberon)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 07:19:32 -0500
Subject: [pmmail-list] [mkc] bcc: Inconvenience
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On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 08:07:14 -0400, Mike Kilroy wrote:
>Thanks for beating on this! I finally see the error in my ways! I was using the ctl-V
>approach for this test and as stated now it doesn't show it; but alt-V does. Guess I was dense
>- I normally just use the pulldown window->display full header (ctl-v) and forget the other
>choice there, window->view full message (alt-V) is there; it shows Bcc.
>
>Thank you very much again. I have on occassion really needed to know who I Bcc'ed and NEVER
>till now had a way to find it. THANKS!
Mike, welcome to the Idiot's Club. I was doing the same thing.
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From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Carl S. Hayes (AKA Business Intelligence))
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 08:56:47 -0400
Subject: [pmmail-list] Sorting internal folders
In-Reply-To: <20030828073237.FHHZ7396.mta03.fuse.net@A30pCG>
Message-ID:
A little question to the , I guess, Windows users . . .
How do you sort the folders inside the folders when you try to
save an Email. It does the first sort, but from then on you are
on-you-own so to speak. As an example I just added a name
that started with the letter D to my customer folder. She is
now at the bottom of the internal listing of folders under my
customer folder.
Any and all help would be appreciated . . .
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From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Robert Gammon)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 08:08:13 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [pmmail-list] Sorting internal folders
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Stop PmMail and restart it. The Folder list will then be
resorted in alphabetic order. At least that's the way the OS/2
version works. I strongly suspect that since the Windows version
is a port from the OS/2 version (PmMail started life as an OS/2
app for those who do not know this).
Robert Gammon
Houston, TX
On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 08:56:47 -0400, Carl S. Hayes (AKA Business
Intelligence) wrote:
>A little question to the , I guess, Windows users . . .
>
>How do you sort the folders inside the folders when you try to
>save an Email. It does the first sort, but from then on you are
>on-you-own so to speak. As an example I just added a name
>that started with the letter D to my customer folder. She is
>now at the bottom of the internal listing of folders under my
>customer folder.
>
>Any and all help would be appreciated . . .
>
>
>
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From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Thu Aug 28 14:12:07 2003
From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Dave Saville)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 14:12:07 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [pmmail-list] Sorting internal folders
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Message-ID: <20030828131359.HWDZ21842.mta02-svc.ntlworld.com@pooh>
On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 08:56:47 -0400, Carl S. Hayes (AKA Business
Intelligence) wrote:
>A little question to the , I guess, Windows users . . .
>
>How do you sort the folders inside the folders when you try to
>save an Email. It does the first sort, but from then on you are
>on-you-own so to speak. As an example I just added a name
>that started with the letter D to my customer folder. She is
>now at the bottom of the internal listing of folders under my
>customer folder.
It will stay at the end of the list until you shutdown & restart PMM
- then it will appear in the "correct" place.
--
Regards
Dave Saville
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From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Thu Aug 28 14:37:42 2003
From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Carl Gehr)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 09:37:42 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [pmmail-list] Default Font - what are they?
In-Reply-To: <20030828095122.91687F04@pmc.polytechnique.fr>
Message-ID: <20030828133807.BETM12512.mta03.fuse.net@A30pCG>
On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 11:10:12 +0200 (CEST), mg wrote:
>On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 18:12:50 -0400 (EDT), Carl Gehr wrote:
>
>| PMMail/2 is a PLAIN TEXT
>|based package. This means no fancy fonts, pictures, etc. Which, FWIW,
>|is just fine with me. [And, PLEASE, everyone, DO NOT START a Text/HTML
>|discussion! That horse is DEAD!] So, with a plain-text design, I
>|suspect you can drop any font, even underlined, in an area of the
>|window and it will apply to that window. I doubt, though, that there
>|is any way to apply a variety of fonts to selected portions of text.
>|
>|Carl
>
>PMMail/2 may be plain text. Still, html shows up properly if you apply Windows/View
>message in Webbrowser in hte Read Window.
>
>Maurice Gu‚ron, BIOP/PMC, Ecole polytechnique, 91128 Palaiseau, France
rant ON>
I am quite aware of that. I do not *want* to receive HTML.
Too big, too bloated.
To repeat from above:
"...[And, PLEASE, everyone, DO NOT START a Text/HTML
discussion! That horse is DEAD!]..."
[I always have an opinion! :-)...]
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From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Thu Aug 28 15:07:09 2003
From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Carl S. Hayes (AKA Business Intelligence))
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 10:07:09 -0400
Subject: [pmmail-list] Sorting internal folders
In-Reply-To:
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Just that simple . . . sorry about the dumb question. Been a user
since there was a PMMail who would have thunk!
Carl
On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 08:08:13 -0500 (CDT), Robert Gammon wrote:
>Stop PmMail and restart it. The Folder list will then be
>resorted in alphabetic order. At least that's the way the OS/2
>version works. I strongly suspect that since the Windows version
>is a port from the OS/2 version (PmMail started life as an OS/2
>app for those who do not know this).
>
>Robert Gammon
>Houston, TX
>
>On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 08:56:47 -0400, Carl S. Hayes (AKA Business
>Intelligence) wrote:
>
>>A little question to the , I guess, Windows users . . .
>>
>>How do you sort the folders inside the folders when you try to
>>save an Email. It does the first sort, but from then on you are
>>on-you-own so to speak. As an example I just added a name
>>that started with the letter D to my customer folder. She is
>>now at the bottom of the internal listing of folders under my
>>customer folder.
>>
>>Any and all help would be appreciated . . .
>>
>>
>>
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From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Thu Aug 28 17:16:12 2003
From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Tim Roberts)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 09:16:12 -0700
Subject: [pmmail-list] [mkc] bcc: Inconvenience
In-Reply-To: <20030828073116.BTWT24432.smtp02.fuse.net@A30pCG>
Message-ID: <200308281616.h7SGGCG10394@probo.probo.com>
On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 03:30:51 -0400 (EDT), Carl Gehr wrote:
>On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 17:00:58 -0700, Tim Roberts wrote:
>>
>>My expectation was that your description is correct: the e-mail client
(i.e.,
>>PMMail) should strip the Bcc: line out before sending it via SMTP.
>
>Then, please tell me:
> HOW can SMTP possibly know WHO to send the BLIND copies to
> if it never sees the 'bcc' tags because PMMail strips the
> IDs?
There are two parts to an SMTP session: the SMTP protocol part, and the e-
mail message part. Here is an example of a complete SMTP session:
HELO probo.com
MAIL FROM:
RCPT TO:
RCPT TO:
RCPT TO:
DATA
Subject: Testing BCC lists
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 09:09:49 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tim Roberts
To: "PMMail list"
Cc: "Tim Roberts"
This is a test message.
.
The part with the four-letter commands ending with DATA (and the lone "." at
the end) is the SMTP protocol. That's called the "envelope". The rest of it
is just an RFC822 message. As far as SMTP is concerned, the message is just
an arbitrary chunk of character data without form. Sendmail does NOT parse
the message to figure out who to deliver to; ALL of that comes from the
envelope, and the envelope is not transmitted to the eventual recipient. It
is that separation that allows for bccs.
In this example, carl.gehr@attglobal.net was a Bcc address. He is listed in
the envelope, but not in the message. He will receive the message, but will
not be able to see why. PMMail accumulates all of the To: names, all of the
Cc: names, and all of the Bcc: names, and converts them to "RCPT TO:"
commands in the SMTP. Everything else is just a convention.
--
- Tim Roberts, timr@probo.com
Providenza & Boekelheide, Inc.
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From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Sat Aug 30 03:29:08 2003
From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Hazen Woods)
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 21:29:08 -0500
Subject: [pmmail-list] What is wrong with my setup?
Message-ID: <200308300229.h7U2TPT30476@solomon.io.com>
Please, please, please don't let this start another war over things like HTML, and bloat etc.
I really do need to understand enough to properly set up PMMail 2000. I got a message today from a
person whose mail I must be able to read. It began with stuff like this:
"
. . . "
and then had text and above type weirdness interspersed. I copied to notepad and deleted the
quoted stuff and could read the message. I decided to write the author and ask what type of email
reader was being used (with the idea of suggesting just using plain text). So I clicked on reply and
quote and to my surprise, the message appeared in the new message window reading without the
garbage and in different fonts, etc,.
So my question, what happened that allowed the message to appear correctly in the new message
window when it did not when viewing the original message. And, how should I set up PMMail so I can
read the message without having to start a reply?
TIA for all help.
Hazen Woods
Austin, TX USA
eCS and Win2k Pro
what a combination
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From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Sat Aug 30 08:17:54 2003
From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (James Moe)
Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 00:17:54 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [pmmail-list] What is wrong with my setup?
In-Reply-To: <200308300229.h7U2TPT30476@solomon.io.com>
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On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 21:29:08 -0500, Hazen Woods wrote:
>It began with stuff like this:
>
>"
>
>
This is all HTML markup.
The quickest way to read it is "Window->View Message In Web Browser".
- --
jimoe at sohnen-moe dot com
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From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Sat Aug 30 12:20:41 2003
From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (Steve Ewing)
Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 07:20:41 -0400
Subject: [pmmail-list] What is wrong with my setup?
In-Reply-To: <200308300229.h7U2TPT30476@solomon.io.com>
Message-ID: <200308301121.h7UBL2nh001901@cumbrae.qmss.com>
On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 21:29:08 -0500, Hazen Woods wrote:
>DEFANGED_META
See:
http://www.roaringpenguin.com/mimedefang/enduser.php3
for where the headers come from; as for this:
>So my question, what happened that allowed the message to appear correctly in the new message
window when it did not when viewing the original message. And, how
should I set up PMMail so I can read the message without having to
start a reply?
I have no idea; sorry.
--
Steve
http://www.qmss.com/~sewing
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From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Sat Aug 30 13:39:25 2003
From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (John Swartzentruber)
Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 08:39:25 -0400
Subject: [pmmail-list] What is wrong with my setup?
In-Reply-To: <200308300229.h7U2TPT30476@solomon.io.com>
Message-ID: <200308301239.h7UCdPg13649@arthur.swartz.primatech.com>
On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 21:29:08 -0500, Hazen Woods wrote:
>So my question, what happened that allowed the message to appear correctly in the new message
>window when it did not when viewing the original message. And, how should I set up PMMail so I can
>read the message without having to start a reply?
The easiest way is to set up a browser as an external editor used for
viewing. You can then press Alt-X to view the message. The previous
suggestion only works with PMMail/2, but this is the equivalent.
Go to the "Editor tab" in Account Properties. Keep "Use PMMail's
internal editor" checked, but fill in the next two fields. These are my
settings:
Editor: "C:\winnt\system32\mshta.exe"
Arguments: "D:\Programs\Blueprint Software Works\PMMail 2000\%s"
Then select the "Use for message reading" radio button.
I hope that helps.
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From pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com Sat Aug 30 12:57:44 2003
From: pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Maurice_Gu=E9ron?=)
Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 13:57:44 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [pmmail-list] What is wrong with my setup?
In-Reply-To: <200308300229.h7U2TPT30476@solomon.io.com>
Message-ID: <20030830135050.2A096439E7@postfix4-1.free.fr>
In PMMAIL for OS/2, you open the message to be read, then click on the Window tab,
then choose "view message in web browser" in the menu (you may have to open your
browser prior to this) and the message appears in its original form (HTML).
maurice gueron
On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 21:29:08 -0500, Hazen Woods wrote:
|Please, please, please don't let this start another war over things like HTML,
and bloat etc.
|
|I really do need to understand enough to properly set up PMMail 2000. I got a
message today from a
|person whose mail I must be able to read. It began with stuff like this:
|
|"
|
|
|
|
|
. . . "
|
|and then had text and above type weirdness interspersed. I copied to notepad and
deleted the
|quoted stuff and could read the message. I decided to write the author and ask
what type of email
|reader was being used (with the idea of suggesting just using plain text). So I
clicked on reply and
|quote and to my surprise, the message appeared in the new message window reading
without the
|garbage and in different fonts, etc,.
|
|So my question, what happened that allowed the message to appear correctly in the
new message
|window when it did not when viewing the original message. And, how should I set
up PMMail so I can
|read the message without having to start a reply?
|
|TIA for all help.
|
|
|Hazen Woods
|Austin, TX USA
|eCS and Win2k Pro
|what a combination
|
|
|
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In case of problems only, use : gueron@idf.ext.jussieu.fr
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