From richard at biscount.com.au  Sat Feb  2 05:06:04 2008
From: richard at biscount.com.au (Richard)
Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 15:06:04 +1100
Subject: [pmmail-list] Life there somewhere!
Message-ID: <200802020406.m12465Qw001963@mail07.syd.optusnet.com.au>

Hi all,
I still use PMMail and love it (except the spell checker!!) I have looked and tried many other programs but NOTHING has the functionality of PMMail!

I notice that "Blueprint Software" is alive with PMView!!
Their web page has changes after 2003!!!!!!!!

But they do not seem to be interested in upgrading PMMail.
Why not release the code to the public domain - it cannot be that it still produces income.

Or why not release a version that just fixes the major problems (like adding WSpell or similar) and this would produce income!!
I know the existing spell checker is a love-child but it is not up to the standard of other available spell checkers and their licenses are not expensive.
There are many wishes that could be added but if there was an ongoing release of upgrades then each one could attract a charge (WOW more money!)

Then it's up to us to support it!

Richard

--Original Message Text---
From: Jim Ferguson
Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 13:42:17 -0500

we're everywhere--just widely dispersed...

Jim

--Original Message Text---
From: Craig Hastings
Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 11:51:00 -0500


On Fri, 2008-01-18 at 21:54 -0600, jlillis wrote:

After years of solid, and very pleasant use, I went thunderbird. 


Wow activity on the PM mail list, I went to The Bat! myself feels a little like PMmail....


Craig








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From s-i-m-o-n at paradise.net.nz  Sun Feb  3 00:14:51 2008
From: s-i-m-o-n at paradise.net.nz (Simon)
Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2008 12:14:51 +1300
Subject: [pmmail-list] Life there somewhere!
Message-ID: <47A4F96B.2000706@paradise.net.nz>

I think you can fairly say that there is no support, no development,
and no future for the Win32 version of PmMail (as supplied by
Blueprint, who once promised to open source it).
The new (OS2 Voice) version is clearly OS/2 only (and it seems not
open source), and this will be a issue for
those who use PmMail across mixed environments. I suspect it is this
that will call the end of the line for many of us.

Me, I'm going to try to use a PMMail to Thunderbird converter once
circulated on this list by  Robert Dahlem (his website no longer
exists) to try to save my mail archives
(if anyone has any alternatives I'd like to hear them)
and go with GMail with which at least I can now read my emails.
Its a shame, because I really liked PMMail's user interface for
navigating email, it was just let down by sustained lack of
improvement in handling html and attachments, searching, and spelling.
Simon


On 02/02/2008, Richard <richard at biscount.com.au
<mailto:richard at biscount.com.au>> wrote:
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From pmorgan at attglobal.net  Sun Feb  3 00:26:00 2008
From: pmorgan at attglobal.net (Phil Morgan)
Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 18:26:00 -0500
Subject: [pmmail-list] Life there somewhere!
Message-ID: <200802022326.m12NQj8C015378@txslsmtp1.vzwmail.net>

I share your dismay.  I cannot imagine why a great product like PMMail 2K f/Win  cannot justify updating to allow use with current standards for email, security, and HTML.  I use TBird for many things but depend on PMMail for most electronic text communications.

 - - Phil, by Palm Treo700p
       Composed in VersaMail

-----Original Message-----

From:  Simon <s-i-m-o-n at paradise.net.nz>
Subj:  [pmmail-list] Life there somewhere!
Date:  Sat Feb 2, 2008 6:16 pm
Size:  1K
To:  pmmail-list at blueprintsoftwareworks.com

     I think you can fairly say that there is no support, no development,
 and no future for the Win32 version of PmMail (as supplied by
 Blueprint, who once promised to open source it).
 The new (OS2 Voice) version is clearly OS/2 only (and it seems not
 open source), and this will be a issue for
 those who use PmMail across mixed environments. I suspect it is this
 that will call the end of the line for many of us.
 
 Me, I'm going to try to use a PMMail to Thunderbird converter once
 circulated on this list by Robert Dahlem (his website no longer
 exists) to try to save my mail archives
 (if anyone has any alternatives I'd like to hear them)
 and go with GMail with which at least I can now read my emails.
 Its a shame, because I really liked PMMail's user interface for
 navigating email, it was just let down by sustained lack of
 improvement in handling html and attachments, searching, and spelling.
 Simon
 
 
 On 02/02/2008, Richard <richard at biscount.com.au> wrote:    



From phil at kanafi.org  Sun Feb  3 00:45:27 2008
From: phil at kanafi.org (Phil Kane)
Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 15:45:27 -0800
Subject: [pmmail-list] Life there somewhere!
In-Reply-To: <47A4F96B.2000706@paradise.net.nz>
Message-ID: <200802022347.m12NlE1t010610@omr1.networksolutionsemail.com>

On Sun, 03 Feb 2008 12:14:51 +1300, Simon wrote:

> ts a shame, because I really liked PMMail's user interface for
> navigating email, it was just let down by sustained lack of
> improvement in handling html and attachments, searching, and
> spelling.

  One of the most important features that I find in PMMail is the
  ability too use an external text editor for composing messages.
  AFAIK no other "popular" Win32 mail client has that.






From Richardelli at earthlink.net  Sun Feb  3 02:02:05 2008
From: Richardelli at earthlink.net (Richard Beeson)
Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 20:02:05 -0500
Subject: [pmmail-list] Life there somewhere!
In-Reply-To: <200802022347.m12NlE1t010610@omr1.networksolutionsemail.com>
Message-ID: <E1JLTFF-0004il-G9@elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

The most important feature for me is the ability to define outgoing mail filters that work automatically, and the various operational advantages offered by having a 
separate file for each message. I tried Thunderbird for a year, and it's a nightmare in these areas. The only things it's good for are zooming in on images, 
showing messages with inline graphics, and that sort of thing. Last November it took me 3 whole days to archive two quarters' worth of emails, using Tbird's 
mulit-save function (a plugin). That finished me. With PMMail I can separate the wheat from the chaff automatically with the filters, and copy the files over to my 
archival HD using a simple file manager. No manual deletion of one file at a time, no renaming emails, etc. etc. 

What I do now is use PMMail on my first pass. It sorts the mail the way I want. I send my replies in PMMail. Although it is my default mail client, I do not have it 
clear the messages from the server. Once or twice a day, or once every couple of days, I download messages using Thunderbird. That way I can see the 
messages with inline graphics, or those that are so heavily formatted in HTML that they're hard to read in PMMail.

I don't bother anymore trying to archive anything in Thunderbird. Everything there gets deleted. (Most emails with inline graphics are jokes or spam anyway.)

This way I have the best of both worlds.

I tried to get Emil Fickel, who sells several utilities he ported over from OS/2 (EF Commander, EF Find, and so on), to pick up on PMMail. Tried to put him 
together with Robert Bradford, who owns the rights to PMMail and owns BMT Micro. (Think I have his name right.) Bradford was interested, but Emil ultimately 
did not pick up on it. If anyone knows a programmer looking for a product, there might be a way to resuscitate the program. 

Richard

On Sat, 02 Feb 2008 15:45:27 -0800, Phil Kane wrote:

>On Sun, 03 Feb 2008 12:14:51 +1300, Simon wrote:

>> ts a shame, because I really liked PMMail's user interface for
>> navigating email, it was just let down by sustained lack of
>> improvement in handling html and attachments, searching, and
>> spelling.

>  One of the most important features that I find in PMMail is the
>  ability too use an external text editor for composing messages.
>  AFAIK no other "popular" Win32 mail client has that.







Richard Beeson
=================
Richardelli at earthlink.net





From mlueck at lueckdatasystems.com  Sun Feb  3 02:57:37 2008
From: mlueck at lueckdatasystems.com (Michael Lueck)
Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 20:57:37 -0500
Subject: [pmmail-list] Life there somewhere!
In-Reply-To: <47A4F96B.2000706@paradise.net.nz>
References: <47A4F96B.2000706@paradise.net.nz>
Message-ID: <47A51F91.2040008@lueckdatasystems.com>

Simon wrote:
> Me, I'm going to try to use a PMMail to Thunderbird converter once
> circulated on this list by  Robert Dahlem (his website no longer
> exists) to try to save my mail archives

If you need the Perl scripts, I have the original zip from him. Worked great for us.

I migrated one email account at a time, setting up a new account / folder structure in TB to receive the payload.

Also I took the time to custom name the account folder to the email address (name at domain.com) from the variant of the email pop server hostname.

About two weeks ago I migrated my main system from Windows over to Linux, TB profile (and FF) transfered to Linux. All the extensions work (cross platform). Slick!

-- 
Michael Lueck
Lueck Data Systems
http://www.lueckdatasystems.com/


From steve at qmss.com  Sun Feb  3 06:04:40 2008
From: steve at qmss.com (Steve Ewing)
Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2008 00:04:40 -0500
Subject: [pmmail-list] Life there somewhere!
In-Reply-To: <47A51F91.2040008@lueckdatasystems.com>
References: <47A4F96B.2000706@paradise.net.nz>
	<47A51F91.2040008@lueckdatasystems.com>
Message-ID: <d1aadbdc0802022104i768f6625ke5d876f195b99e8@mail.gmail.com>

On 2/2/08, Michael Lueck <mlueck at lueckdatasystems.com> wrote:
> Simon wrote:
> > Me, I'm going to try to use a PMMail to Thunderbird converter once
> > circulated on this list by  Robert Dahlem (his website no longer
> > exists) to try to save my mail archives

I moved from PMMail2000 to TheBat! some time ago, and then from
TheBat! to Gmail.

My affection for PMMail shows, since I am still subscribed to this list.

I migrated from PMMail to TheBat! by hand, recreating the directory
structure and importing one directory at a time.  After a bit of trial
and error, I did it in a couple of hours.

What was great about TheBat! for moving to Gmail is that it can export
its mail as a Unix mail file.  I have access to a Unix POP3 server,
and so exported the mail in reasonable-sized chunks, copied them over
to the POP3 server, and let Gmail fetch them using POP.  This allowed
the original To:/From:/Date: to be preserved, rather than having to
bulk forward everything and having the true date and From: obscured.

TheBat! itself as a client is not bad at all; very much like PMMail in
display and ability to filter.  With PMMail I just got tired of
compensating for missing features.  The move to Gmail was both
because, using it at work, I grew to like it, and also to being bored
with running my own mail server for my domain.  Let someone else do
the work.

-- 
<steve at qmss.com>
http://www.qmss.com/~sewing


From usselmann.m at icg-online.de  Sun Feb  3 11:10:25 2008
From: usselmann.m at icg-online.de (Manfred Usselmann)
Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2008 11:10:25 +0100
Subject: [pmmail-list] Life there somewhere!
In-Reply-To: <200802022347.m12NlE1t010610@omr1.networksolutionsemail.com>
References: <47A4F96B.2000706@paradise.net.nz>
	<200802022347.m12NlE1t010610@omr1.networksolutionsemail.com>
Message-ID: <20080203111025.2ca28cf9.usselmann.m@icg-online.de>

"Phil Kane" <phil at kanafi.org> schrieb am Sat, 02 Feb 2008 15:45:27
-0800:

> On Sun, 03 Feb 2008 12:14:51 +1300, Simon wrote:
> 
> > ts a shame, because I really liked PMMail's user interface for
> > navigating email, it was just let down by sustained lack of
> > improvement in handling html and attachments, searching, and
> > spelling.
> 
>   One of the most important features that I find in PMMail is the
>   ability too use an external text editor for composing messages.
>   AFAIK no other "popular" Win32 mail client has that.
> 

I don't know if you regard Sylpheed as 'popular', but it has this
feature and I use it since PMMail is no longer an option for me. There
is also Claws Mail, which descends from Sylpheed and it is also very
nice, but it's IMAP implementation doesn't work that well for me.

Manfred

-- 
________________________________________________________________________
 Manfred Usselmann                            usselmann.m at icg-online.de


From david.n.whiteman at nasa.gov  Mon Feb  4 18:15:24 2008
From: david.n.whiteman at nasa.gov (Dave Whiteman - NASA/GSFC)
Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2008 12:15:24 -0500
Subject: [pmmail-list] Life there somewhere!
In-Reply-To: <47A51F91.2040008@lueckdatasystems.com>
Message-ID: <200802041715.m14HFNnW023010@popa.gsfc.nasa.gov>

I for one would like the zip file. Would you please post someplace
where we can download? I may be forced to convert. Thanks. 


>Simon wrote:
>> Me, I'm going to try to use a PMMail to Thunderbird converter once
>> circulated on this list by  Robert Dahlem (his website no longer
>> exists) to try to save my mail archives
>
>If you need the Perl scripts, I have the original zip from him. Worked great for us.
>
>I migrated one email account at a time, setting up a new account / folder structure in TB to receive the payload.
>
>Also I took the time to custom name the account folder to the email address (name at domain.com) from the variant of the email pop server hostname.
>
>About two weeks ago I migrated my main system from Windows over to Linux, TB profile (and FF) transfered to Linux. All the extensions work (cross platform). Slick!
>
>-- 
>Michael Lueck
>Lueck Data Systems
>http://www.lueckdatasystems.com/


Dave

*********************************
David Whiteman, Ph.D.	                                    
NASA/GSFC			                                    
Code 613.1/Mesoscale Atmospheric Processes Branch
david.n.whiteman at nasa.gov
Building 33 Room D404 (office)        301 614-6703 
Building 33 Room F421B (lab)          301 614 6775
Greenbelt, MD 20771                       301 614-5492 (fax)

Raman Lidar Group ->     http://ramanlidar.gsfc.nasa.gov
WAVES Field Campaign -> http://ecotronics.com/lidar-misc/WAVES.htm

Please use the lab address for shipments.

The opinions expressed here are my own.




From mlueck at lueckdatasystems.com  Mon Feb  4 18:34:53 2008
From: mlueck at lueckdatasystems.com (Michael Lueck)
Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2008 12:34:53 -0500
Subject: [pmmail-list] Life there somewhere!
In-Reply-To: <200802041715.m14HFNnW023010@popa.gsfc.nasa.gov>
References: <200802041715.m14HFNnW023010@popa.gsfc.nasa.gov>
Message-ID: <47A74CBD.9080101@lueckdatasystems.com>

Dave Whiteman - NASA/GSFC wrote:
> I for one would like the zip file. Would you please post someplace
> where we can download? I may be forced to convert. Thanks. 

Done!

http://www.lueckdatasystems.com/pub/pmmail/pmm2tb.zip

I plan to leave the original zip there.

-- 
Michael Lueck
Lueck Data Systems
http://www.lueckdatasystems.com/


From david.n.whiteman at nasa.gov  Tue Feb  5 14:59:32 2008
From: david.n.whiteman at nasa.gov (Dave Whiteman - NASA/GSFC)
Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2008 08:59:32 -0500
Subject: [pmmail-list] Life there somewhere!
In-Reply-To: <47A74CBD.9080101@lueckdatasystems.com>
Message-ID: <200802051359.m15DxWI6016722@popa.gsfc.nasa.gov>

Thanks!

>Dave Whiteman - NASA/GSFC wrote:
>> I for one would like the zip file. Would you please post someplace
>> where we can download? I may be forced to convert. Thanks. 
>
>Done!
>
>http://www.lueckdatasystems.com/pub/pmmail/pmm2tb.zip
>
>I plan to leave the original zip there.
>
>-- 
>Michael Lueck
>Lueck Data Systems
>http://www.lueckdatasystems.com/


Dave

*********************************
David Whiteman, Ph.D.	                                    
NASA/GSFC			                                    
Code 613.1/Mesoscale Atmospheric Processes Branch
david.n.whiteman at nasa.gov
Building 33 Room D404 (office)        301 614-6703 
Building 33 Room F421B (lab)          301 614 6775
Greenbelt, MD 20771                       301 614-5492 (fax)

Raman Lidar Group ->     http://ramanlidar.gsfc.nasa.gov
WAVES Field Campaign -> http://ecotronics.com/lidar-misc/WAVES.htm

Please use the lab address for shipments.

The opinions expressed here are my own.




From Robert.Dahlem at gmx.net  Wed Feb  6 11:56:04 2008
From: Robert.Dahlem at gmx.net (Robert Dahlem)
Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2008 11:56:04 +0100
Subject: [pmmail-list] Life there somewhere!
In-Reply-To: <47A74CBD.9080101@lueckdatasystems.com>
References: <200802041715.m14HFNnW023010@popa.gsfc.nasa.gov>
	<47A74CBD.9080101@lueckdatasystems.com>
Message-ID: <47A99244.3090809@gmx.net>


On 04.02.2008 18:34, Michael Lueck wrote:

>> I for one would like the zip file. Would you please post someplace
>> where we can download? I may be forced to convert. Thanks. 

> http://www.lueckdatasystems.com/pub/pmmail/pmm2tb.zip

> I plan to leave the original zip there.

Thanks. My ex website is indeed down, but I'll be happy to answer 
questions concerning PMM2TB here.

Regards,
         Robert



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From david.n.whiteman at nasa.gov  Mon Feb 18 16:48:54 2008
From: david.n.whiteman at nasa.gov (David Whiteman)
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 10:48:54 -0500
Subject: [pmmail-list] Life there somewhere!
Message-ID: <47B9A8E6.2020101@nasa.gov>

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From phil at kanafi.org  Tue Feb 26 02:08:08 2008
From: phil at kanafi.org (Phil Kane)
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 17:08:08 -0800
Subject: [pmmail-list] It Was Bound To Happen --  HELP !!
Message-ID: <47C36678.3020705@kanafi.org>

I have been using PMMail from its inception in the OS/2 days, and 
continued to use it when we went to Win 98, then NT, and now XP.  It was 
working really well up until last Thursday when XP had a major failure, 
and had to be reinstalled.  From that time on, any attempt to start 
PMMail results in an error message "The application failed to initialize 
properly (0xc0000018).  Click on OK to terminate the application." 
Reinstalling a fresh copy of PMMail 2K Pro (or Standard) did not make 
any difference.  My wife's machine runs the same WinXP and PMMail setup 
as mine does and it works just fine.

Looks like it's still a WinXP problem and I'm sick and tired of messing 
with reinstalls of that monster - everything else seems to work OK, and 
I have a lot of apps to reinstall in spite of having full backups and 
MS's Transfer "Wizard" files available.

OK  - MY MS rant is over.  Now I need some constructive help.

I have reluctantly installed Mozilla Thunderbird as my mail program, but 
it lacks two features of PMMail  - use of an external text editor for 
composition, and storage of messages as individual files.  If I can get 
PMMail back to life I would stick with it.  Otherwise, I'm going to have 
to use T-Bird.

First "thank you" will be given to anyone who can decipher that error 
message enough to tell me what is missing.  I'm enough of a hacker to 
swipe a copy from my wife's machine and pout it on mine.

If that doesn't pan out, there was some discussion of a migration 
program from PMMail to T-Bird.  I have my whole PMMail program backed up 
on a separate hard disk, and if the migration requires a running session 
of PMMail I can always load those accounts and folders on my wife's 
machine to generate the required files.  Unfortunately,  I don't have a 
copy of the message that gave the source of the migration program.  Does 
anyone have that?

I would appreciate any help that is out there.

-- 
    Phil Kane


From bbryan at austin.rr.com  Tue Feb 26 02:19:02 2008
From: bbryan at austin.rr.com (Barry Bryan)
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 19:19:02 -0600
Subject: [pmmail-list] It Was Bound To Happen --  HELP !!
In-Reply-To: <47C36678.3020705@kanafi.org>
Message-ID: <20080226011904.DVIJ1037.hrndva-omta05.mail.rr.com@BARRY>

On Mon, 25 Feb 2008 17:08:08 -0800, Phil Kane wrote:

>First "thank you" will be given to anyone who can decipher that error 
>message enough to tell me what is missing.  I'm enough of a hacker to 
>swipe a copy from my wife's machine and pout it on mine.

Is your machine and your wife's machine at the same XP service pack level?    At one point a year or so ago 
there was a service pack update issue that caused this kind of error. 



Regards, Barry




From derek at finnsoft.com  Tue Feb 26 02:18:49 2008
From: derek at finnsoft.com (Derek W. Keoughan)
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 20:18:49 -0500
Subject: [pmmail-list] It Was Bound To Happen --  HELP !!
In-Reply-To: <47C36678.3020705@kanafi.org>
References: <47C36678.3020705@kanafi.org>
Message-ID: <47C368F9.8010507@finnsoft.com>

Phil Kane wrote:
> I have been using PMMail from its inception in the OS/2 days, and 
> continued to use it when we went to Win 98, then NT, and now XP.  It was 
> working really well up until last Thursday when XP had a major failure, 
> and had to be reinstalled.  From that time on, any attempt to start 
> PMMail results in an error message "The application failed to initialize 
> properly (0xc0000018).  Click on OK to terminate the application." 
> Reinstalling a fresh copy of PMMail 2K Pro (or Standard) did not make 
> any difference.  My wife's machine runs the same WinXP and PMMail setup 
> as mine does and it works just fine.
> 
> Looks like it's still a WinXP problem and I'm sick and tired of messing 
> with reinstalls of that monster - everything else seems to work OK, and 
> I have a lot of apps to reinstall in spite of having full backups and 
> MS's Transfer "Wizard" files available.
> 
> OK  - MY MS rant is over.  Now I need some constructive help.

Shot in the dark... XCOPY all the FOLDER.* files from the PMMail storage 
directories to somewhere safe, so you have a backup copy, then delete 
all the FOLDER.BAG files.

With 4OS2 (now freeware), this is dead simple...

MD \Save
cd \Save
XCOPY \PMMail-dir\Folder.* . /s /e /c /h /r
del   \PMMail-dir\Folder.BAG /s /p  (this may be a 4NT specific command 
line, it's all I use)

You will lose all the icons showing "read status" or "replied to", etc - 
but you might be able to open it again...  I suspect a corrupted index 
(which is what the BAG file is) is to blame.

Failing that, put the copies back in place, and you're back where you 
started.

You might also try doing a search for FOLDER.BAG, and sort by date... 
rename the latest one or two to *.BAK or something, and try to start it 
up...

I myself gave up on PMMail in August 2006, and am now on Thunderbird... 
the internal editor is fine for me, and with backups, I've never lost a 
message, so the lack of individual files isn't a problem either.  320GB 
of hard drive space is about a hundred bucks these days... $200 with a 
mirror drive. :)

Sure is nice to be able to see HTML formatted eMails - the main reason I 
left it behind (though I still have some 10 years of messages archived 
in there).

Hope this helps... it's been a while since I had to futz with it, after all.

-Derek


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From phil at kanafi.org  Tue Feb 26 03:38:04 2008
From: phil at kanafi.org (Phil Kane)
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 18:38:04 -0800
Subject: [pmmail-list] It Was Bound To Happen --  HELP !!
In-Reply-To: <47C368F9.8010507@finnsoft.com>
References: <47C36678.3020705@kanafi.org> <47C368F9.8010507@finnsoft.com>
Message-ID: <47C37B8C.50205@kanafi.org>

Derek W. Keoughan wrote:

> Shot in the dark... XCOPY all the FOLDER.* files from the PMMail storage 
> directories to somewhere safe, so you have a backup copy, then delete 
> all the FOLDER.BAG files.

Tried it - it didn't make any difference.
>
> Failing that, put the copies back in place, and you're back where you 
> started.

> I myself gave up on PMMail in August 2006, and am now on Thunderbird... 

How did you migrate your PMMail message files to T-Bird (if you did)?

> Sure is nice to be able to see HTML formatted eMails 

I am one of the loudest ranters and ravers about e-mail messages being 
sent in plain text only.

> Hope this helps... it's been a while since I had to futz with it, after 
> all.

Thanks for the assistance.

-- 
    Phil Kane


From ommoran at telusplanet.net  Tue Feb 26 03:56:16 2008
From: ommoran at telusplanet.net (O. Martin Moran)
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 19:56:16 -0700
Subject: [pmmail-list] It Was Bound To Happen --  HELP !!
In-Reply-To: <47C37B8C.50205@kanafi.org>
References: <47C36678.3020705@kanafi.org> <47C368F9.8010507@finnsoft.com>
	<47C37B8C.50205@kanafi.org>
Message-ID: <18310160247.20080225195616@telusplanet.net>


On Monday, February 25, 2008 at 7:38:04 PM, Phil wrote:

PK> How did you migrate your PMMail message files to T-Bird (if you did)?

Go to this site:
http://www.os2site.com/sw/internet/mail/convert/index.html and look
for PMM2moz.zip

>> Sure is nice to be able to see HTML formatted eMails 

PK> I am one of the loudest ranters and ravers about e-mail messages being
PK> sent in plain text only.

Yes, me as well.  Except that you get many information e-mails from
companies you trust (for me, some airlines, etc.) that are a) safe
and b) formatted properly.

Plain text is great, but sometimes it doesn't convey everything.


-- 
Martin Moran            ommoran at telusplanet dot net
Beaumont, Alberta       

http://www.telusplanet.net/public/ommoran/publickey.txt

"When you're caffeinated, all is right with the world"

PGP Public Key Fingerprint:  CEF6 48D8 73FC 2A36 3287  FC20 CAEC 75D1 9C58 B861



From jrace at attglobal.net  Tue Feb 26 04:07:12 2008
From: jrace at attglobal.net (Jeffrey Race)
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 10:07:12 +0700
Subject: [pmmail-list] It Was Bound To Happen --  HELP !!
In-Reply-To: <47C37B8C.50205@kanafi.org>
Message-ID: <6l5g94$737ot@irp2.truemail.co.th>

On Mon, 25 Feb 2008 18:38:04 -0800, Phil Kane wrote:

>> Sure is nice to be able to see HTML formatted eMails 


<http://www.camblab.com/nugget/htmlmail.pdf>




From phil at kanafi.org  Tue Feb 26 06:52:10 2008
From: phil at kanafi.org (Phil Kane)
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 21:52:10 -0800
Subject: [pmmail-list] It Was Bound To Happen --  HELP !!
In-Reply-To: <6l5g94$737ot@irp2.truemail.co.th>
References: <6l5g94$737ot@irp2.truemail.co.th>
Message-ID: <47C3A90A.5020600@kanafi.org>

Jeffrey Race wrote:

> On Mon, 25 Feb 2008 18:38:04 -0800, Phil Kane wrote:
> 
>>> Sure is nice to be able to see HTML formatted eMails 

Actually I didn't write that (another victim of multi-layered quoting).

I was the one who ranted and raved that the proper format for e-mails is 
plain text - the responder wrote the above.

-- 
    Phil Kane


From Richardelli at earthlink.net  Tue Feb 26 06:57:46 2008
From: Richardelli at earthlink.net (Richard Beeson)
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 00:57:46 -0500
Subject: [pmmail-list] It Was Bound To Happen --  HELP !!
In-Reply-To: <47C36678.3020705@kanafi.org>
Message-ID: <E1JTsp2-0004G1-Bu@elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

I have done several reinstalls of XP, up through the latest service packs, and have never had a problem installing PMMail. A couple of times Outlook tried to 
hijack the system as the default email client. Have you gone into the "Set Programs and Defaults" panel of XP and checked the settings there? Another thing to 
try is right-clicking on a file with PMMail's "msg" extension, pick "Open With," select PMMail, and check the box that says "always use this program to open this 
kind of file" or whatever that message is. That did happen to me when Outlook tried to take over.

I am also running Thunderbird, for the times I have to view emails in HTML, but I don't allow TBird to clear mail off the server, and it is not set to be default. Be 
sure that PMMail is set as your default.

Another option is, if you have to uninstall/reinstall PMMail yet again, to go into the registry and delete all references to PMMail before reinstalling it. Maybe a 
registry entry is corrupt. If you don't have a good registry editor for performing global operations, try Resplendent Registrar. It also has Undo features as well as 
a good registry search engine.

Hang in there. The separate files are worth it. I used TBird for 10 months and gave up in disgust when it took me nearly a week to save messages out 
individually for archiving.

Richard

On Mon, 25 Feb 2008 17:08:08 -0800, Phil Kane wrote:

>I have been using PMMail from its inception in the OS/2 days, and 
>continued to use it when we went to Win 98, then NT, and now XP.  It was 
>working really well up until last Thursday when XP had a major failure, 
>and had to be reinstalled.  From that time on, any attempt to start 
>PMMail results in an error message "The application failed to initialize 
>properly (0xc0000018).  Click on OK to terminate the application." 
>Reinstalling a fresh copy of PMMail 2K Pro (or Standard) did not make 
>any difference.  My wife's machine runs the same WinXP and PMMail setup 
>as mine does and it works just fine.

>Looks like it's still a WinXP problem and I'm sick and tired of messing 
>with reinstalls of that monster - everything else seems to work OK, and 
>I have a lot of apps to reinstall in spite of having full backups and 
>MS's Transfer "Wizard" files available.

>OK  - MY MS rant is over.  Now I need some constructive help.

>I have reluctantly installed Mozilla Thunderbird as my mail program, but 
>it lacks two features of PMMail  - use of an external text editor for 
>composition, and storage of messages as individual files.  If I can get 
>PMMail back to life I would stick with it.  Otherwise, I'm going to have 
>to use T-Bird.

>First "thank you" will be given to anyone who can decipher that error 
>message enough to tell me what is missing.  I'm enough of a hacker to 
>swipe a copy from my wife's machine and pout it on mine.

>If that doesn't pan out, there was some discussion of a migration 
>program from PMMail to T-Bird.  I have my whole PMMail program backed up 
>on a separate hard disk, and if the migration requires a running session 
>of PMMail I can always load those accounts and folders on my wife's 
>machine to generate the required files.  Unfortunately,  I don't have a 
>copy of the message that gave the source of the migration program.  Does 
>anyone have that?

>I would appreciate any help that is out there.

>-- 
>    Phil Kane



Richard Beeson
=================
Richardelli at earthlink.net





From derek at finnsoft.com  Tue Feb 26 07:15:14 2008
From: derek at finnsoft.com (Derek W. Keoughan)
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 01:15:14 -0500
Subject: [pmmail-list] It Was Bound To Happen --  HELP !!
In-Reply-To: <47C37B8C.50205@kanafi.org>
References: <47C36678.3020705@kanafi.org> <47C368F9.8010507@finnsoft.com>
	<47C37B8C.50205@kanafi.org>
Message-ID: <47C3AE72.7030602@finnsoft.com>

Phil Kane wrote:
> Derek W. Keoughan wrote:
> 
>> Shot in the dark... XCOPY all the FOLDER.* files from the PMMail 
>> storage directories to somewhere safe, so you have a backup copy, then 
>> delete all the FOLDER.BAG files.
> 
> Tried it - it didn't make any difference.

Bleh.  Sorry.

>> Failing that, put the copies back in place, and you're back where you 
>> started.
> 
>> I myself gave up on PMMail in August 2006, and am now on Thunderbird... 
> 
> How did you migrate your PMMail message files to T-Bird (if you did)?

I didn't... just amputated and started fresh.  I know that any/everthing 
before a certain date in Aug 2006 is in PMMail, everything else is in 
Thunderbird.

>> Sure is nice to be able to see HTML formatted eMails 
> 
> I am one of the loudest ranters and ravers about e-mail messages being 
> sent in plain text only.

Which is a nice position to have, but I can't tell everyone else in the 
world to stick with plain text... most if not all of my suppliers are 
sending me rich-text eMails, and there's no convincing marketing types 
that you won't accept anything less.  They just don't care.

Hard to argue when I'm sitting on an 8-megabit connection with no cap.

:)

  >> Hope this helps... it's been a while since I had to futz with it,
>> after all.
> 
> Thanks for the assistance.

No worries... sorry it didn't make a difference.

Have you tried re-installing the app itself, over top of itself?  If 
it's not the BAG files, it might be a corrupted EXE or something.

-Derek


-- 

Derek W. Keoughan,
Finnegan Software, Inc.,  Brampton, Ontario, Canada  http://www.finnsoft.com
416-410-4774 phone - 800-258-0033 toll free - 905-846-5516 fax

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and Upgrades

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View my profile on LinkedIn - http://www.linkedin.com/in/derekkeoughan


From phil at kanafi.org  Tue Feb 26 07:28:51 2008
From: phil at kanafi.org (Phil Kane)
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 22:28:51 -0800
Subject: [pmmail-list] It Was Bound To Happen --  HELP !!
In-Reply-To: <E1JTsp2-0004G1-Bu@elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <E1JTsp2-0004G1-Bu@elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <47C3B1A3.30909@kanafi.org>

Richard Beeson wrote:

> Have you gone into the "Set Programs and Defaults" panel of XP and 
> checked the settings there?

	PMMail doesn't show up.

> Another thing to try is right-clicking on a file with PMMail's "msg" 
> extension, pick "Open With," select PMMail, and check the box that 
> says "always use this program to open this kind of file" or whatever 
> that message is. That did happen to me when Outlook tried to take 
> over.

	Didn't work.  Same error message as when I try to start PMMail 
from the desktop.

> Another option is, if you have to uninstall/reinstall PMMail yet 
> again, to go into the registry and delete all references to PMMail 
> before reinstalling it.

	I have done that as well.

	Thanks for the tips, though.  I will try anything short of reinstalling 
XP once again.


    Phil Kane


From phil at kanafi.org  Tue Feb 26 07:49:18 2008
From: phil at kanafi.org (Phil Kane)
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 22:49:18 -0800
Subject: [pmmail-list] It Was Bound To Happen --  HELP !!
In-Reply-To: <47C3AE72.7030602@finnsoft.com>
References: <47C36678.3020705@kanafi.org> <47C368F9.8010507@finnsoft.com>
	<47C37B8C.50205@kanafi.org> <47C3AE72.7030602@finnsoft.com>
Message-ID: <47C3B66E.9080609@kanafi.org>

Derek W. Keoughan wrote:

> Have you tried re-installing the app itself, over top of itself?  If 
> it's not the BAG files, it might be a corrupted EXE or something.

    I've downloaded a fresh copy from the PMMail2000 website - the 
package was the same as the one that I installed several years ago - and 
I tried installing it both over the existing package and in a separate 
directory.  The install in a separate directory didn't have the usual 
config files nor the "Sets" and "Catalog" subdirectories which scares me 
but the pmmailw.exe was identical.

   I'm getting dismayed at this - I spend about six hours a day with 
personal and professional e-mails and news groups (I'm an allegedly 
retired engineer and attorney who does a lot of mentoring and consulting 
work "in retirement") and even the three days when I was out of mail 
touch resulted in several hundred e-mails being downloaded when I got 
T-Bird on line.  To be honest, though, our company site sent me 5 "real" 
messages and 242 pieces of spam over the weekend, while another site 
sent me about 300 real postings, all of which I have to skim before 
deleting.  The company IT guy can't seem to get the Spam filter adjusted 
right, but that's a whole different story!

Thanks anyhow for the help.  All suggestions appreciated.

    Phil Kane


From sorin.srbu at orgfarm.uu.se  Tue Feb 26 09:15:48 2008
From: sorin.srbu at orgfarm.uu.se (Sorin Srbu)
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 09:15:48 +0100
Subject: [pmmail-list] It Was Bound To Happen --  HELP !!
In-Reply-To: <6l5g94$737ot@irp2.truemail.co.th>
References: <47C37B8C.50205@kanafi.org> <6l5g94$737ot@irp2.truemail.co.th>
Message-ID: <DBB4DA94E90940C78F99AFCD0774D504@orgfarm.uu.local>

Jeffrey Race <> scribbled on Tuesday, February 26, 2008 4:07 AM:

> On Mon, 25 Feb 2008 18:38:04 -0800, Phil Kane wrote:
> 
>>> Sure is nice to be able to see HTML formatted eMails
> 
> 
> <http://www.camblab.com/nugget/htmlmail.pdf>

Sorry for being blunt, but isn't the above paper nowadays really moot? With
some 80-90% of all email traffic being spam, does anybody really care that the
rest legit mail is html or not? We have bigger problems to deal with, spam
being one of them. 8-}

Personally I think all mail should be plain text, but html has its points too
at times.

-- 
BW,
	Sorin

# Sorin Srbu                    
# [Systems Engineer, Sysadmin]  	Web: http://www.orgfarm.uu.se
# Dept of Medicinal Chemistry,	Phone: +46 (0)18-4714482 >3 signals> GSM
# Div of Org Pharm Chem,		Mobile: +46 (0)701-718023
# Box 574, Uppsala University, 	Fax: +46 (0)18-4714482
# SE-751 23 Uppsala, Sweden	Visit: BMC, Husargatan 3, D5:512b
#
# ()  ASCII ribbon campaign - Against html E-mail 
# /\
#
# Harmless tagline follows:
#
# In the beginning was The Word, and The Word was Content-type: text/plain.


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From sorin.srbu at orgfarm.uu.se  Tue Feb 26 09:19:29 2008
From: sorin.srbu at orgfarm.uu.se (Sorin Srbu)
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 09:19:29 +0100
Subject: [pmmail-list] It Was Bound To Happen --  HELP !!
In-Reply-To: <47C3AE72.7030602@finnsoft.com>
References: <47C36678.3020705@kanafi.org> <47C368F9.8010507@finnsoft.com>
	<47C37B8C.50205@kanafi.org> <47C3AE72.7030602@finnsoft.com>
Message-ID: <592AD0A0E29547D2986B049695F7346E@orgfarm.uu.local>

Derek W. Keoughan <> scribbled on Tuesday, February 26, 2008 7:15 AM:

>>> Sure is nice to be able to see HTML formatted eMails
>>
>> I am one of the loudest ranters and ravers about e-mail messages being
>> sent in plain text only.
>
> Which is a nice position to have, but I can't tell everyone else in the
> world to stick with plain text... most if not all of my suppliers are
> sending me rich-text eMails, and there's no convincing marketing types
> that you won't accept anything less.  They just don't care.
>
> Hard to argue when I'm sitting on an 8-megabit connection with no cap.
>
> :)

LOL!! Pragmatics'r'Us. To put it short; "me too". ;-)

There will always be zealots, even if you win one battle vs The Evil Html 
Empire, doesn't mean you'll win the war. Pick your battles where it counts.

-- 
BW,
	Sorin

# Sorin Srbu
# [Systems Engineer, Sysadmin]  	Web: http://www.orgfarm.uu.se
# Dept of Medicinal Chemistry,	Phone: +46 (0)18-4714482 >3 signals> GSM
# Div of Org Pharm Chem,		Mobile: +46 (0)701-718023
# Box 574, Uppsala University, 	Fax: +46 (0)18-4714482
# SE-751 23 Uppsala, Sweden	Visit: BMC, Husargatan 3, D5:512b
#
# ()  ASCII ribbon campaign - Against html E-mail
# /\
#
# Harmless tagline follows:
#
# Geeky it-haiku #08: Support-queues are empty/Users behaving nicely/CPU-fans 
whir silently in the night.




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From jrace at attglobal.net  Tue Feb 26 11:24:30 2008
From: jrace at attglobal.net (Jeffrey Race)
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 17:24:30 +0700
Subject: [pmmail-list] It Was Bound To Happen --  HELP !!
In-Reply-To: <DBB4DA94E90940C78F99AFCD0774D504@orgfarm.uu.local>
Message-ID: <6l5g94$77305@irp2.truemail.co.th>

On Tue, 26 Feb 2008 09:15:48 +0100, Sorin Srbu wrote:

>does anybody really care that the rest legit mail is html or not? 

html-formatted mail is an important spam and malware vector in addition to its other negative aspects


>We have bigger problems to deal with, spam >being one of them. 8-}

My view exactly and that's why I wrote

 <http://www.camblab.com/misc/univ_std.txt>
   based on
 <http://www.camblab.com/nugget/spam_03.pdf>

>Personally I think all mail should be plain text, but html has its points too at times.

That's why the html article is titled "between consenting adults"

:)





From sorin.srbu at orgfarm.uu.se  Tue Feb 26 12:06:38 2008
From: sorin.srbu at orgfarm.uu.se (Sorin Srbu)
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 12:06:38 +0100
Subject: [pmmail-list] It Was Bound To Happen --  HELP !!
In-Reply-To: <6l5g94$77305@irp2.truemail.co.th>
References: <DBB4DA94E90940C78F99AFCD0774D504@orgfarm.uu.local>
	<6l5g94$77305@irp2.truemail.co.th>
Message-ID: <D600495DD75942DFA8885FF4A0D5B6ED@orgfarm.uu.local>

Jeffrey Race <> scribbled on Tuesday, February 26, 2008 11:24 AM:

> On Tue, 26 Feb 2008 09:15:48 +0100, Sorin Srbu wrote:
> 
>> does anybody really care that the rest legit mail is html or not?
> 
> html-formatted mail is an important spam and malware vector in addition to
> its other negative aspects 
> 
> 
>> We have bigger problems to deal with, spam >being one of them. 8-}
> 
> My view exactly and that's why I wrote
> 
>  <http://www.camblab.com/misc/univ_std.txt>
>    based on
>  <http://www.camblab.com/nugget/spam_03.pdf>
> 
>> Personally I think all mail should be plain text, but html has its points
>> too at times. 
> 
> That's why the html article is titled "between consenting adults"
> 
> :)

Ah, so we agree to agree then. 8-)

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From joyce at classicgutters.com  Wed Feb 27 15:46:56 2008
From: joyce at classicgutters.com (Joyce Camhi)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 09:46:56 -0500
Subject: [pmmail-list] please remove me from list
Message-ID: <002601c8794f$9ae4c3c0$d0ae4b40$@com>

joyce at classicgutters.com

and

info at classicgutters.com

 

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