[pmmail-list] Sending mails

[Kenn Yuill]

Hello Ralph Cohen,
  In reply to your e-mail on Fri, 19 Oct 2001 13:13:04 -0400 (EDT).

I thought that I had written that all options were turned off for the
Outbox.
See balance of response below.

Ciao,
    Kenn
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The Original E-mail below, sent by Ralph Cohen on Fri, 19 Oct 2001
13:13:04 -0400 (EDT) to pmmail-list@blueprintsoftwareworks.com, stated:


On Fri, 19 Oct 2001 10:44:10 -0400 (EDT), Kenn Yuill wrote:

>  In reply to your e-mail on Thu, 18 Oct 2001 21:49:41 -0400 (EDT).
>
>I have to agree on the flexibility of PMMail, as I can set it to
handle
>outgoing mail, as I want it to do and as you want as well.  There is
a
>queued e-mail in my Outbox at the moment and if I turn off "Show any
>mail", the colour turns from red to buff, which is expected.  

Hi Kenn.  Yes, that is exactly how it should work.


>Now,
>Steve expects the Outbox to turn red,
>when I send this e-mail.  Let me test this feature and edit this
>message to report the result.  Steve is correct as the Outbox turned
>red and remains red as I edit this message, so there is an
>inconsistency here.  

What is your setting at this point.  Do you have the folder set to
indicate the presence of any mail?  If so, then he Outbox is red
because there is a message in it, whether you are editing it or not,
that is were the mail is located.  This is also working as expected.


No, I turned it off, although there was another e-mail in the Outbox.

>PMMail overrode my setting and is likely treating
>the Outbox differently than other folders, although I haven't checked
>this behaviour.
>

Please explain.  What setting was overridden?  Are you saying that you
had the "Indicate" option turned off but the folder still turned red? 
If so, that would certainly be a bug.

Yes.

>Now, if I save this e-mail rather than sending it, PMMail should
remove
>it from the Outbox, turn its colour to buff and place this e-mail in
>the Drafts folder.  Let's find out.  Nope, the Outbox is still red,
so
>this feature has turned into a _bug_, as PMMail shouldn't be polling
>the Outbox for any e-mail, as there is another one there, but should 
>reverse the previous action in order to be consistent.
>

Wrong.  PMMail *SHOULD* be polling the Outbox folder for the presence
of *ANY* mail and if there is any in there and you have the Indicate
options turned on, then the folder should turn red.

 I'm saving the e-mail, so the presence of a previous e-mail should
have nothing to do with this one.  The indicating options are turned
off.  PMMail should change the colour of the Outbox from red to buff
and turn the colour of the Drafts folder from buff to red.
I disagree that PMMail should be polling the Outbox for other e-mail,
as it should be concerned with the current action only, since it is
moving it to the Drafts folder.

>It's a matter of expectation.  I expect an e-mail client to _always_
>show me if there is queued e-mail as a constant reminder and PMMail
>complies.

You do have the option of setting up PMMail to do this so there is no
problem, right?

Of course, I can set the Outbox to indicate the presence of any mail,
if I wish.

> However, you do not and can turn off this feature, but _only
>after_ an e-mail has been queued.  

I don't understand what you are saying.  The "Folder Icon Indicates
Any
Mail" feature can be changed at any time and has nothing to do with
whether or not an "e-mail has been queued".

I would prefer that this change would only be effected if the contents
were removed by a Send command or manually moving the e-mail to the
Drafts folder, for example.  Perhaps, I shouldn't have used the word
"queued", as I used it in the context that an e-mail had been placed in
the Outbox by the Send command.

>PMMail allows this, so you are happy
>with this dynamic feature, whereas Steve finds it inconsistent and so
>do I.

The only thing that I can see that is dynamic about this feature, is
that it responds to whether or not there  is any mail in the folder. 
If there is, then the folder changes color.  If there isn't, then it
stays the default yellow color.  That's the way it is designed to work
which is why I expect it to work this way.  Where is the
inconsistency?

The folder is NOT set to show any e-mail and when I send this e-mail to
the list, the colour of the Outbox WILL change from buff to red and
PMMail has ignored the fact that I have not turned on the feature,
"Folder Icon Indicates Any Mail".
It's a bug.

>I would prefer that a feature is either on or off at _all_
>times.  However, I can set PMMail to conform to my expectation and
>methods, so this bug is not a major concern, at the moment.
>

The "Folder Icon Indicates Any Mail" feature *IS* either on or off at
_all_ times.  It can only be changed if you manually go into the
setting make the change.  It doesn't change itself, at least on my
system.

The status of the feature doesn't change, but PMMail ignores it as I've
written above.

If the program is operating as designed then there is no bug.  If it
is
configurable so that you can adjust it to operate the way you would
like it to operate, then that is a feature.

I agree that it's a feature with a bug.

I have a feeling that I am still missing something here, so let me
state what I expect the Outbox folder to do based upon its settings,
and you can tell me whether or not your folder is acting in this way. 
Perhaps this will better help me to understand the problem.

"Folder Icon Indicates Any Mail": Setting Selected (ON)
1.  Any mail in the folder causes the folder to turn red.
2.  If the folder is completely empty, the folder turns the default
yellow.

Correct.

"Folder Icon Indicates Any Mail": Setting  not selected (ON)
1.  Any mail in the folder causes the folder to remain the default
yellow.

No.  This is the bug.  PMMail changes the colour to red, when there is
an e-mail to be sent.  Try it with an empty Outbox.

2.  If the folder is completely empty, the folder remains the default
yellow.

Isn't the colour always buff or yellow.  Why would it change at this
setting?

>Oops, I have to amend that last statement, as PMMail ran this e-mail
>through my tagline program, via a REXX script (Message Send Exit) a
>second time, as it transferred it from the Drafts folder to the
Outbox.
> The application of "Message Send Exit" should _not_ be applied a
>second time for a draft e-mail, but _only_ after a new e-mail is
either
>sent or saved.  This is a _bug_, that I would like to see corrected
and
>should be renamed "New Message Exit".
>

This sounds like a totally different issue that maybe someone else
would like to jump and address because I don't currently use any
Message Send Exit scripts.

Yes, I'll have to write another message, although I don't know if it's
worthwhile, as this thread hasn't generated any response for PMMail
Support.  I'll have to try the "PMMail/2 Technical Support" link in the
"Help" menu.


Ralph

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    Kenn Yuill    Warp 4.0/FP10    Java 1.18 
        PMMail/2 2.1 Demo.  Communicator 4.61 
            The Beautiful Ottawa Valley, Ontario, Canada 
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